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2010-11-12T11:03:03  <RobZoneNet> scaleable website design.. expand and contract http://robot-or-not.com/
2010-11-12T11:10:28  <RobZoneNet> fluid images http://unstoppablerobotninja.com/entry/fluid-images/
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2010-11-12T11:34:18  <mattbarkau> eventually i came around to see the point of the page - for photos, people would prefer to see a whole face on their mobile screen, but if you used the same image size for faces on desktop screens, it would feel too small
2010-11-12T11:35:00  <mattbarkau> for detailed graphic images, though, thats a whole different story, and i wouldn't use the technique in that case
2010-11-12T11:38:06  <rosepruyne> yeah, mattbarkau, liquid images are v. useful, but shouldn't be slapped around everywhere. i also find them useful in situations such as image-and-caption divs in content. so that the display doesn't fall to crud when a page is expanded or contracted.
2010-11-12T11:41:58  <mattbarkau> i'm guessing that this technique does some aliasing, with the browser scaling, but not resampling the image - maybe not a big deal for most photos
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2010-11-12T11:43:57  <rosepruyne> not for most.
2010-11-12T11:48:18  <mattbarkau> here's the detail "native image scaling on Windows just, well, kind of sucks"
2010-11-12T11:51:21  <mattbarkau> and reading on, there's a sordid tale of workaround, side-effects, workaround, side-effects, workaround, and finally a javascript implementing them all.
2010-11-12T11:51:40  <rosepruyne> lovely!
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2010-11-12T12:10:37  <mattbarkau> anyone have a link to where _ said something like 'if you can't document it easily, it should be refactored' - oi
2010-11-12T12:10:44  <mattbarkau> oops
2010-11-12T12:11:30  <rosepruyne> i don't have the link, but i approve of that statement, mattbarkau.
2010-11-12T12:11:31  <mattbarkau> anyone have a link to where Chris McDonough said something like 'if you can't document it easily, it should be refactored' - i'd like to quote him in a ticket
2010-11-12T12:11:54  <mattbarkau> i can't remember enough of the exact wording for google to find it
2010-11-12T12:20:11  <rosepruyne> mattbarkau, am trying various combinations in google.
2010-11-12T12:20:38  <mattbarkau> i think his site is down, too
2010-11-12T12:20:47  <mattbarkau> using cached versions
2010-11-12T12:21:24  <mattbarkau> somewhat down
2010-11-12T12:22:09  <mattbarkau> ahh http://plope.com/Members/chrism/succeeding_poorly , last paragraph
2010-11-12T12:22:38  <rosepruyne> good title, that.
2010-11-12T12:24:01  <rosepruyne> "If you're going to introduce a feature to code that other people rely on, start by documenting it. If you cannot document it adequately, or you find that you may need to spend an inordinate amount of time creating code that makes the feature not suck, don't add the feature. "
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2010-11-12T12:27:44  <pumazi> rosepruyne: sounds like DDD - Documentation Driven Development
2010-11-12T12:28:09  <rosepruyne> dddefinitely, pumazi.
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2010-11-12T12:37:49  <davisagli> I just did that yesterday! (deleted a feature because I was having trouble explaining it)
2010-11-12T12:38:27  <rosepruyne> good man, davisagli.
2010-11-12T12:38:57  <davisagli> of course, getting developers to actually try writing the documentation in the first place is 80% of the battle
2010-11-12T12:40:44  <rosepruyne> yeah, davisagli, it's true. i like to sit down with developers and work with them to write documentation whenever possible. wish i had more time for that.
2010-11-12T12:42:23  <rosepruyne> mattbarkau, i got cc'ed on the plone ticket. tx.
2010-11-12T12:42:50  <mattbarkau> cool
2010-11-12T12:47:20  <mattbarkau> rosepruyne: that was done using your email address
2010-11-12T12:47:41  <rosepruyne> mattbarkau, 'k.
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2010-11-12T13:32:03  <miguelitosm> esteele: mind taking a quick look at the traceback on this ticket? https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/ticket/1984
2010-11-12T13:32:25  <miguelitosm> I'm curious if this is a gs thing or something with my portlet
2010-11-12T13:32:43  <miguelitosm> no issue on dev, but install fails on hosting
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2010-11-12T13:57:34  <esteele> miguelitosm: Sure.
2010-11-12T14:00:27  <esteele> miguelitosm: Same plone versions?
2010-11-12T14:05:47  <miguelitosm> I believe so
2010-11-12T14:06:27  <esteele> miguelitosm: Was there more traceback above that one? That's one of those "also encountered while rendering the error message" ones.
2010-11-12T14:06:43  <miguelitosm> pumazi: is the alum site 3.1.5 or 7
2010-11-12T14:06:53  <pumazi> 3.1.5.1
2010-11-12T14:07:05  <miguelitosm> there wasn't any more given, i'll look in error_logs
2010-11-12T14:07:14  <miguelitosm> dev is 3.1.7
2010-11-12T14:07:22  <miguelitosm> so perhaps and issue there
2010-11-12T14:07:33  <miguelitosm> I'll set up a 3.1.5 to test on
2010-11-12T14:07:48  <pumazi> using 3.1.(5|7) shouldn't really mater though
2010-11-12T14:14:18  <paul_r> anybody have cosign 3 working on RedHat?
2010-11-12T14:15:46  <cah190> paul_r: Yup.  We have working on RHEL5.
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2010-11-12T14:29:39  <rosepruyne> bpanulla, was great seeing you in cincinnati a few weeks ago.
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2010-11-12T14:39:53  <miguelitosm> http://www.nfb.org/nfb/NewsBot.asp?MODE=VIEW&ID=702
2010-11-12T14:41:58  <RobZoneNet> miguelitosm: ohhhh noes
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2010-11-12T14:42:12  <rosepruyne> was bound to happen.
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2010-11-12T14:47:13  <miguelitosm> esteele: is it possible I have to use the namespace in my portlet name: https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/browser/alumniAssociation/Products.CollectionWithImage/tags/1.0/Products/CollectionWithImage/profiles/default/portlets.xml
2010-11-12T14:47:14  <miguelitosm> ?
2010-11-12T14:47:48  <miguelitosm> having trouble installing a dev 3.1.5 instance with buildout atm
2010-11-12T14:49:39  <esteele> miguelitosm: I don't think so.
2010-11-12T14:49:53  <esteele> Or, it's possible rather, not sure that'd be the issue.
2010-11-12T14:50:18  <esteele> Though I can't think of anything else. Give it a shot.
2010-11-12T14:50:47  <esteele> There's nothing that changed between 3.1.5.1 and 3.1.7 that should make a difference, AFAICT.
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2010-11-12T14:53:50  <esteele> cah190: Bah. I'm going to have to rewrite this selenium setup. I can't pass in "internet explorer" for instance.
2010-11-12T14:54:36  <cah190> wow, that's dumb.  because of the space?
2010-11-12T14:54:41  <esteele> Right.
2010-11-12T14:55:39  <cah190> Can't we just drop support for it?  I think less than half of users run IE anymore...
2010-11-12T14:55:47  <esteele> Heh.
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2010-11-12T15:07:04  <paul_r> RobZoneNet: I'm glad we use Plone which complies with Section 508 :)
2010-11-12T15:07:24  <RobZoneNet> me too paul_r
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2010-11-12T15:07:44  <paul_r> maybe you guys will get some more business out of this depending on how the University reacts
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2010-11-12T15:20:33  <guy_heckman> anyone on?
2010-11-12T15:23:45  <esteele> Yup.
2010-11-12T15:24:55  <guy_heckman> hey, bro, i have a couple questions, actually more like clarifications
2010-11-12T15:24:59  <guy_heckman> on buildout
2010-11-12T15:25:53  <guy_heckman> so i basically want to build on the Unified Installer generated buildout.
2010-11-12T15:27:44  <guy_heckman> so i have a 'extends = buildout.cfg' directive in the [buildout] section that way i should inherit all of the generated paths and what not
2010-11-12T15:29:19  <guy_heckman> my question is does an extends append or overwrite directives or who sections of the extended cfg
2010-11-12T15:29:35  <guy_heckman> *of whole sections*
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2010-11-12T15:31:44  <guy_heckman> nevermind i think i just answered the question
2010-11-12T15:32:00  <guy_heckman> it overwrites in the declaration not the section
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