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2010-11-02T10:36:00  <cthomas> hi all
2010-11-02T10:36:32  <cthomas> have a really annoying jquery problem on my hands and am looking for suggestions
2010-11-02T10:37:26  <cthomas> I upgraded jquery to use a script for a site.  it works fine and then, for no apparent reason, Plone loses track of jquery
2010-11-02T10:37:41  <cthomas> and the script of course stops working
2010-11-02T10:38:00  <cthomas> going into the zmi and pressing "save" in portal_javascript gets it working again
2010-11-02T10:38:10  <cthomas> ideas?
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2010-11-02T11:16:52  <cjohansen> Join us for Plone Symposium East: May 18,19 2011 http://bit.ly/pse-irc.
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2010-11-02T12:09:53  <xn8> Hello, just wondering whether there is a version of FSD available that implements Paul's Expired Person strategy. We would like to use it.
2010-11-02T12:10:30  <lynnp08> I'm using 2.1.4 and I can "expire" people.
2010-11-02T12:11:46  <jdeluca> xn8: when I looked at that (and discussed with Paul) a couple of weeks ago, I found that his "expire" code is in the trunk, but not in 2.1.4
2010-11-02T12:13:21  <jdeluca> I have 2.1.4 and when I "expire" someone they disappear from the main directory listing but still show up in specialities
2010-11-02T12:15:40  <lynnp08> I'm using 2.1.4 and when I expire people, they do not show up in the specialties, unless I am logged in as a manager.
2010-11-02T12:16:06  <xn8> I guess I can work around having them show up in specialties by using a collection.  I like the fact that information would come up with a note that the person was no longer affiliated.  I guess I will go ahead and set the expiration date on people and work around until this is incorporated. Thanks for the feedback!
2010-11-02T12:17:03  <xn8> As a note to weblion folks -- you can see that people are really interested in this feature! ;)
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2010-11-02T13:05:06  <rosepruyne> cah190, have you seen this site? http://www.shelfari.com/
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2010-11-02T13:05:26  <cah190> rosepruyne: No, I hadn't seen it.
2010-11-02T13:05:34  <cah190> I'll take a look, thanks!
2010-11-02T13:05:37  <rosepruyne> miguelitosm just showed it to me. for book addicts.
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2010-11-02T13:43:53  <paul_r> sorry for all the bounces, proximity appears to have gone nutz
2010-11-02T13:47:45  <mattbarkau> thanks for being the guinea pig :)
2010-11-02T13:48:18  <mattbarkau> before today, what distance would trigger |away ?
2010-11-02T13:50:29  <paul_r> not sure of exact distances but I could usually move around our suite of offices without an issue. Going down the hall or downstairs, would make it kick in which was perfect
2010-11-02T13:55:08  <mattbarkau> so do you think that it would never trigger |away within the WebLion offices & rooms?
2010-11-02T14:00:45  <miguelitosm> cah190: do you know if it is possible to assign a portlet to a browser layer
2010-11-02T14:01:04  <miguelitosm> similar to how you made AD54 elements and installable product?
2010-11-02T14:03:21  <RobZoneNet> http://developer.yahoo.com/blogs/ydn/posts/2010/10/how-many-users-have-javascript-disabled/
2010-11-02T14:04:00  <mattbarkau> and for people using screenreaders, the number only goes up to about 25% (!)
2010-11-02T14:04:38  <cah190> I don't think instances of portlets are browser layer aware, but I believe you can register a custom portlet renderer on a browser layer by adding a for_="blah.blah.interfaces.IMyBrowserLayer" to its ZCML slug so portlets of that type only render when that interface/layer is present.
2010-11-02T14:05:32  <cah190> So basically, no for existing portlets, but it should be possible if you're writing a new portlet type.
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2010-11-02T14:13:32  <cthomas> hi all
2010-11-02T14:13:46  <cthomas> did anyone catch my jquery conundrum?
2010-11-02T14:14:54  <cthomas> still spinning my wheels to a solution/fix
2010-11-02T14:16:04  <mattbarkau> cthomas: when was that?
2010-11-02T14:19:08  <cthomas> mattbarkau, earlier this morning
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2010-11-02T14:39:16  <mattbarkau> OHR had a similar issue, looking though their tickets..
2010-11-02T14:44:43  <cthomas> mattbarkau, ok thanks
2010-11-02T14:45:11  <cthomas> so far, the only solutions, if you call it that, is to turn off merging and caching on jquery
2010-11-02T14:45:19  <cthomas> at least that I can find
2010-11-02T14:49:07  <rosepruyne> cthomas, not sure if this applies to your situation, but you might want to take a look at this report and the response from plone: http://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/9087.
2010-11-02T14:51:31  <rosepruyne> ...which is also related to merging and caching.
2010-11-02T14:53:23  <cthomas> Hi rose, I actually did this the other day
2010-11-02T14:53:31  <cthomas> thinking it may correct the issue
2010-11-02T14:53:37  <cthomas> however it was doing it again this morning
2010-11-02T14:53:38  <rosepruyne> guess it didn't help, cthomas.
2010-11-02T14:53:46  <cthomas> :)
2010-11-02T14:54:11  <mattbarkau> here's a related ticket from ohr: https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/ticket/2338
2010-11-02T14:55:28  <mattbarkau> cthomas: what version of CacheFu do you have?
2010-11-02T14:57:11  <rosepruyne> the latest version of cachefu is a bit of a bear, cthomas.
2010-11-02T14:57:49  <cthomas> we have version 1.2
2010-11-02T14:58:16  <cthomas> rosepruyne: so I have heard and somewhat experienced
2010-11-02T15:00:52  <mattbarkau> cthomas: we're not aware of any issues with 1.2, but possibly with 1.2.1
2010-11-02T15:02:23  <cthomas> Mattbarkau: let me double check, its showing up as 1.2 in the zmi
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2010-11-02T15:05:28  <cthomas> mattbarkau: just checked my buildout and it looks like it is 1.2
2010-11-02T15:05:33  <cthomas> its pinned there
2010-11-02T15:06:14  <cthomas> however, I have a question about the components that come along with it...
2010-11-02T15:06:40  <cthomas> CacheSetup is version 1.2, but CMFSquidTool is 1.5.1
2010-11-02T15:06:47  <cthomas> any correlation there?
2010-11-02T15:10:33  <mattbarkau> not sure if this is an issue, but most of our sites have CMFSquidTool 1.4.1
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2010-11-02T15:16:26  <paul_r> mattbarkau: proximity would probably only kick in when moving from the old side to the new side of the building for you guys.
2010-11-02T15:16:56  <paul_r> cthomas: could your problem be related to the fact that the Plone version of JQuery uses jq() where as the normal JQuery install uses $() ???
2010-11-02T15:17:02  <mattbarkau> we'd need an adjustable threshold to make it work well, then.  thanks
2010-11-02T15:17:28  <paul_r> yeah, not sure how you adjust the strength of a bluetooth signal
2010-11-02T15:17:33  <cthomas> I turned caching and merging off for jquery only.  I am not noticing a huge performance hit
2010-11-02T15:17:42  <cthomas> paul_r: thats a really good point!
2010-11-02T15:17:52  <cthomas> but wouldn't it not work at all?
2010-11-02T15:18:06  <jdeluca> cthomas: when you say it loses track of the jquery, what do you mean?
2010-11-02T15:18:19  <jdeluca> does it lose the library or the js that you wrote?
2010-11-02T15:19:07  <cthomas> Hi jdeluca: it fails to merge the jquery library
2010-11-02T15:19:40  <cthomas> from what I can see, using firebug, jquery fails to load
2010-11-02T15:19:45  <jdeluca> if you view page source and click the call to that, do you see anything or just a blank file?
2010-11-02T15:20:47  <cthomas> right now, its working, so doing so gives me the script
2010-11-02T15:21:04  <jdeluca> ok
2010-11-02T15:21:18  <cthomas> i'm guessing when its not working it may be blank?
2010-11-02T15:22:11  <cthomas> as I said before, it does this quite often and simply going to portal_javascripts and hitting the save button corrects it
2010-11-02T15:22:14  <jdeluca> I saw that happen with one of my js files once, but not the library
2010-11-02T15:22:22  <jdeluca> and that file was in the custom folder
2010-11-02T15:22:38  <cthomas> my jquery file is in the custom folder
2010-11-02T15:23:02  <cthomas> i upgraded to a newer version because another code module I'm using required it
2010-11-02T15:23:23  <jdeluca> not sure if that had anything to do with it, but it didn't happen after I moved it back to the filesystem
2010-11-02T15:24:12  <jdeluca> Do you need that library on every page or just for certain templates?
2010-11-02T15:24:24  <cthomas> just one template actually
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2010-11-02T15:24:47  <cthomas> I ws wondering if simply referencing it in the head section of the template would fix it once and for all
2010-11-02T15:25:23  <cthomas> though it would be nice to have the newest library available site wide
2010-11-02T15:26:30  <jdeluca> when I need a script for only one template (like the home page), I haven't been adding it to the registry
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2010-11-02T15:30:15  <mattbarkau> there have been some non-backwards compatible changes over jQuery's life, like the way ':visible' works
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2010-11-02T16:34:29  <RobZoneNet> 88 degrees and beautiful here.. how is it where you are ;)
2010-11-02T16:35:56  <jdeluca> ewww -- that's too hot
2010-11-02T16:36:05  <RobZoneNet> no real humity
2010-11-02T16:37:03  <rosepruyne> balmy 48F here, robzonenet
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2010-11-02T16:37:33  <jdeluca> but sunny
2010-11-02T16:37:46  <jdeluca> lovely day here :-)
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2010-11-02T16:48:26  <RobZoneNet> hehe rosepruyne i may not want to come back
2010-11-02T16:48:42  <rosepruyne> heh, robzonenet
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2010-11-02T16:52:22  <lynnp08> RobZoneNet:  Must you brag every day?  ;-)
2010-11-02T16:53:27  <RobZoneNet> ;) maybe
2010-11-02T16:53:49  <RobZoneNet> i really missed this town(was here in the navy years ago)
2010-11-02T16:54:06  <lynnp08> RobZoneNet:  Where? San Diego?
2010-11-02T16:54:11  <RobZoneNet> yes
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2010-11-02T16:55:08  <lynnp08> RobZoneNet:  My Aunt and Uncle live there.  I've been there a few times.  Too much traffic.  They live in a little suburb called La Mesa.  Look for a little hill and a big cross on top of it.  That's where they are.
2010-11-02T16:55:44  <RobZoneNet> i have and aunt and uncle that live 30 mins from here.. going there after this is over(oceanside)
2010-11-02T16:56:14  <lynnp08> RobZoneNet:  Ahhh, just the name sounds wonderful (Oceanside)
2010-11-02T16:56:32  <RobZoneNet> it does.. and is ;)
2010-11-02T16:56:56  <lynnp08> RobZoneNet:  Ok, I've heard enough.  Over and out.  ;-)
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