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The article in the intranet seemed silly too. I've been through the site; why open just one page? 2010-01-19T09:17:38 Let me ask... 2010-01-19T09:17:56 I suspect Ken will be loath to since "It's not done yet" ... 2010-01-19T09:18:33 :-) 2010-01-19T09:20:36 cjohansen: Congratulations. You just opened the whole wiki. :-) 2010-01-19T09:21:15 Annnnnd, it was already open. 2010-01-19T09:23:28 Personally, the "and Macbooks" seems redundant to me. 2010-01-19T09:23:55 I think you can add comments. Please do. 2010-01-19T09:24:17 There's a lot of insanity in there. :-) 2010-01-19T09:25:00 guy_heckman has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T09:25:32 rpruyne has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T09:29:58 Does anyone still have OS9 or previous here? 2010-01-19T09:30:03 When I turn off my debug mode in portal_javascripts, I lose the drop-down effects in documentActions and lose the formTabs in my edit view. What may be causing this? 2010-01-19T09:30:07 (at PSU, not #weblion) 2010-01-19T09:30:25 gregangle: I always start looking at the Firefox Error console when that happens. 2010-01-19T09:30:31 tsimkins: +1 2010-01-19T09:30:53 Many times, the conditions, or merge checkboxes are different between different entries, causing them to not clump properly. 2010-01-19T09:31:10 You could turn off merging for a moment and see if that helps. 2010-01-19T09:31:17 Don't leave it off, of course. 2010-01-19T09:32:29 ErikRose: ok to save changes? 2010-01-19T09:32:35 sure 2010-01-19T09:34:39 ErikRose, cjohansen: Does grep work with regexes like that? I always use 'egrep'. 2010-01-19T09:34:58 I think it depends on the version. I suspect grep is sometimes symlinked to egrep. 2010-01-19T09:35:03 Or something. 2010-01-19T09:35:04 ErikRose: nope. lost the escape characters. 2010-01-19T09:35:17 morning guys, where does image_preview now live? 2010-01-19T09:35:17 cjohansen: Hmm? 2010-01-19T09:35:29 It usually is, but I almost think it looks at how it's called. Don't quote me on that. 2010-01-19T09:35:48 Yeah, could be one of those 2010-01-19T09:35:53 michaelmiller, did you happen to create a wl wiki page for our notes about remote usability testing tools? just checking so i don't duplicate your efforts. 2010-01-19T09:35:54 when I saved the page edits, the editor killed the escape chars 2010-01-19T09:35:55 cjohansen: Would: '\.(txt|doc|docx|xls|xlsx|zip|pages|html|htm|xml)' instead? 2010-01-19T09:36:04 cjohansen: Excellent. 2010-01-19T09:36:04 *work instead 2010-01-19T09:36:36 rpruyne: I don't believe so, let me look quick 2010-01-19T09:36:42 jdeluca has quit IRC 2010-01-19T09:36:43 should be: cat spider.log | grep '$.txt,\|.doc,\|.docx,\|xls,\|xlsx,\|.zip,\|.pages\|.html\|.htm\|.xml$' 2010-01-19T09:36:55 Ah, the commas are important? 2010-01-19T09:36:56 What's with the commas? 2010-01-19T09:37:52 webliontickets: Remote User Testing Tools created 2010-01-19T09:37:59 rpruyne: https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/wiki/RemoteUserTestingTools empty at moment 2010-01-19T09:38:48 just created :) 2010-01-19T09:38:52 ErikRose: commas identify end-of-filename. otherwise, you get some unanticipated matches 2010-01-19T09:39:04 Huh, weird. Not $? 2010-01-19T09:39:25 end-of-filename is not the end of the line 2010-01-19T09:39:29 jdeluca has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T09:39:34 Ah! 2010-01-19T09:39:36 greatthanks, michaelmiller! i'll ping bhoffman about it when he signs on. or send him a pigeon. 2010-01-19T09:39:38 I forgot what you were grepping. :-) 2010-01-19T09:40:45 At least on Tiger, grep and egrep are the same file (possibly a hard link?) but behave differently. 2010-01-19T09:40:53 Yep, one of those. 2010-01-19T09:41:29 cjohansen: Is every filename followed by a comma? Or just the first few in the regex? 2010-01-19T09:41:58 pumazi_ has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T09:41:58 ChanServ sets mode: +o pumazi_ 2010-01-19T09:42:09 rwellar_ has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T09:42:39 Anybody else at WebLion have any use for Zope commit? We're working on a bulk agreement. 2010-01-19T09:42:41 tsimkins: every file listed in spider.log is followed by a comma, and the the nature of the match (SSN, etc.) 2010-01-19T09:43:13 * tsimkins is just shooting in the dark here, but you could do: "\.(txt|doc|docx|xls|xlsx|zip|pages|html|htm|xml)," for that, then. 2010-01-19T09:43:18 +1, tsimkins 2010-01-19T09:44:05 At least I got something good out of Perl! And *probably* egrep would be a better choice, since it handles regexes better. 2010-01-19T09:44:06 michaelmiller has quit IRC 2010-01-19T09:45:21 brada has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T09:47:37 ErikRose: Any chance you have a moment to upgrade the ECoS site this morning? 2010-01-19T09:47:52 jdeluca: Sure, I'll be out of this meeting in 15 minutes. 2010-01-19T09:48:13 ok -- let me know when you're ready 2010-01-19T09:48:21 Are the specifics on the ticket? 2010-01-19T09:48:25 Do you have some prep to do? 2010-01-19T09:48:47 specs on ticket -- prep is done 2010-01-19T09:48:57 But you want me to let you know first, right? 2010-01-19T09:49:09 yes, please 2010-01-19T09:49:12 k 2010-01-19T09:49:28 because it's the first time, I want to be extra careful 2010-01-19T09:49:31 k 2010-01-19T09:49:47 should be a quick svn switch, purge cache and restart 2010-01-19T09:49:53 nifty 2010-01-19T09:49:55 webliontickets: Remote User Testing Tools edited 2010-01-19T09:49:57 *should be* 2010-01-19T09:50:00 :-) 2010-01-19T09:50:08 I assume you've tested it to your satisfaction. :-) 2010-01-19T09:50:09 Anyone know if the sharing tab is expected to work for FSD objects? Any time I try to grant local roles I get something like: http://pastie.org/784822 2010-01-19T09:50:31 of course 2010-01-19T09:51:49 cah190: Local roles as in giving someone 'can edit'? 2010-01-19T09:51:59 Correct 2010-01-19T09:51:59 I'd expect it to work, cah190 2010-01-19T09:52:02 That works for me. 2010-01-19T09:52:07 Me too, but it doesn't on my production site 2010-01-19T09:52:14 What fun! 2010-01-19T09:52:27 Catalog rebuild time? 2010-01-19T09:53:56 webliontickets: Remote User Testing Tools edited 2010-01-19T09:55:03 ErikRose/esteele: are you guys going to be around this afternoon 2010-01-19T09:55:04 webliontickets: Ticket #1745 (Update the ECoSstyles Product on science.psu.edu) updated 2010-01-19T09:55:06 cah190, i've gotten errors like that in the past; haven't tried it lately. 2010-01-19T09:55:17 rwellar__ has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T09:55:29 guy_heckman: For the most part, yes. 2010-01-19T09:55:57 mind if i drop down, having a problem that is best shown than described 2010-01-19T09:56:25 across all of my sites on the new serves 2010-01-19T09:56:29 servers 2010-01-19T09:56:43 Sure. I've got a meeting from 1:30-2:30, but otherwise am free. 2010-01-19T09:57:23 thanks, i'll be down after 2010-01-19T09:58:12 michaelmiller has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T09:58:12 ChanServ sets mode: +o michaelmiller 2010-01-19T09:59:22 pumazi has quit IRC 2010-01-19T09:59:27 Hmm...I've narrowed it down, I can assign roles on individual objects and some folders like committees, but it looks like it's blowing up on research areas, so maybe something is messed up there. I guess I'll go through each one and figure out where it fails. 2010-01-19T10:00:02 rwellar_ has quit IRC 2010-01-19T10:00:02 cjohansen has quit IRC 2010-01-19T10:05:33 cjohansen has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T10:05:33 ChanServ sets mode: +o cjohansen 2010-01-19T10:05:38 netropic has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T10:11:09 cah190: Specialties are uniquely hairy. :-) 2010-01-19T10:11:20 tsimkins, ErikRose: Thanks. Just solved my javascript problem using error console and reordering some scripts. 2010-01-19T10:11:22 Let me know if you need my familiarity with Relations crap 2010-01-19T10:11:28 gregangle: Huzzah! Great work! 2010-01-19T10:11:52 4 of our biggest specialties seem to be broken in that that blow up when assigning roles via the sharing tab. 2010-01-19T10:12:00 cah190: BTW, I've somehow got the groups listing and @@sharing magically working. :) 2010-01-19T10:12:14 esteele: Yay! 2010-01-19T10:12:38 I'd swear neither worked when we tried them last week. No idea what's different. 2010-01-19T10:13:54 ErikRose has quit IRC 2010-01-19T10:17:04 cjohansen_ has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T10:17:04 ChanServ sets mode: +o cjohansen_ 2010-01-19T10:19:43 webliontickets: Changeset [10117]: Reordered jsregistry to solve contentActions dropdown error. 2010-01-19T10:21:23 I customized my document_actions to include the addthis.com button. In my template, how do I write a condition to only show the button if the state of the page/folder is Published? 2010-01-19T10:21:45 stuttle has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T10:31:33 ErikRose has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T10:31:33 ChanServ sets mode: +o ErikRose 2010-01-19T10:33:05 cjohansen has quit IRC 2010-01-19T10:33:06 cjohansen_ is now known as cjohansen 2010-01-19T10:33:50 rwellar__ has quit IRC 2010-01-19T10:34:42 rwellar_ has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T10:37:29 michaelmiller has quit IRC 2010-01-19T10:37:30 webliontickets: Changeset [10118]: initial checkin 2010-01-19T10:37:43 Well my FSD problem was indeed a catalog problem. Thanks tsimkins! 2010-01-19T10:38:01 michaelmiller has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T10:38:01 ChanServ sets mode: +o michaelmiller 2010-01-19T10:38:55 cah190: Awesome! 2010-01-19T10:39:23 gregangle: On ours, we implemented addthis as a viewlet, and I don't show it if it's not anonymous. 2010-01-19T10:40:40 Can't you put a condition in document_actions, though? 2010-01-19T10:40:46 jdeluca: Ready to update? 2010-01-19T10:40:52 indeed 2010-01-19T10:42:26 https://weblion.psu.edu/svn/weblion/scienceCollege/ECoSstyles/tags/1.0.1/ ? 2010-01-19T10:42:35 right 2010-01-19T10:43:24 restarting 2010-01-19T10:44:38 jdeluca: Looks good to me. You? 2010-01-19T10:44:49 checking 2010-01-19T10:45:53 Looks good 2010-01-19T10:45:55 I assume you purged also? 2010-01-19T10:46:01 Doing so now. 2010-01-19T10:46:43 ok -- zope restart doesn't remove items from cache, correct? 2010-01-19T10:47:45 simmerdesigns has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T10:49:16 right 2010-01-19T10:49:39 how 'bout stuff that's in the custom folder? 2010-01-19T10:50:02 jdeluca: PUrged! 2010-01-19T10:50:08 that seemed to update as soon as zope restarted 2010-01-19T10:51:05 If you're talking about styles, that could be part of a new CSS cachekey. 2010-01-19T10:51:38 I am 2010-01-19T10:52:08 but cached pages would still be calling the old CSS cache key, right? 2010-01-19T10:52:11 ErikRose: Have time this week to sit down and work on http://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/9828 ? 2010-01-19T10:52:22 I'd like to find a good solution for that. 2010-01-19T10:52:30 they shouldn't update until after purge 2010-01-19T10:52:34 jdeluca: Right 2010-01-19T10:53:43 I'm going to see if I can get some more RAM for you and vetsci now that the new VM cluster has opened, jdeluca 2010-01-19T10:53:54 You end up swapping sometimes. 2010-01-19T10:54:10 cool 2010-01-19T10:54:44 mattbarkau_ has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T10:54:44 ChanServ sets mode: +o mattbarkau_ 2010-01-19T10:54:45 webliontickets: Ticket #1745 (Update the ECoSstyles Product on science.psu.edu) closed 2010-01-19T10:55:11 ErikRose: it seemed like the css changes were applied before the cache was purged, which doesn't quite mesh with my understanding 2010-01-19T10:55:23 I'll assume the problem is in my understanding 2010-01-19T10:55:25 :-) 2010-01-19T10:55:46 I think the universe is broken. 2010-01-19T10:56:06 I think there's a ticket out on that 2010-01-19T10:56:33 Aren't there 50-foot flaming letters someplace reading "We are terribly sorry for the inconvenience"? 2010-01-19T10:57:11 webliontickets: Changeset [10119]: Finally, a working widget. 2010-01-19T10:58:30 ErikRose: thx for the help 2010-01-19T10:58:34 np! 2010-01-19T10:58:35 many more to come 2010-01-19T10:58:37 hehe 2010-01-19T10:58:38 Whee! 2010-01-19T10:58:45 I thought that was, "Don't Panic" ;-) 2010-01-19T10:58:58 That's the book. This is God's last message to His creation. 2010-01-19T11:00:40 I thought it sounded like a Hitchhikers Guide thing! 2010-01-19T11:00:49 It is! 2010-01-19T11:01:10 http://asymptotia.com/2006/11/02/gods-final-message/ 2010-01-19T11:01:18 Yeah, that's what I mean. I just wasn't sure which part. 2010-01-19T11:02:14 Ha... I like the Hubble one better. 2010-01-19T11:02:23 :-) 2010-01-19T11:10:09 mattbarkau has quit IRC 2010-01-19T11:10:09 mattbarkau_ is now known as mattbarkau 2010-01-19T11:16:14 webliontickets: Ticket #1720 (Product Installation) closed 2010-01-19T11:16:58 mattbarkau has quit IRC 2010-01-19T11:17:31 mattbarkau has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T11:17:31 ChanServ sets mode: +o mattbarkau 2010-01-19T11:22:15 ErikRose: While you are updating.... 2010-01-19T11:22:22 Ah yes 2010-01-19T11:22:31 https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/browser/liberalArtsOnline/Products.outreachtheme/tags/1.2 2010-01-19T11:22:41 Another small change 2010-01-19T11:23:08 You want me to arrange a restart at 3am? 2010-01-19T11:23:25 That would be good 2010-01-19T11:23:27 k 2010-01-19T11:23:43 Thanks 2010-01-19T11:24:17 webliontickets: New Employee Guide edited 2010-01-19T11:27:51 michaelmiller_ has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T11:27:51 ChanServ sets mode: +o michaelmiller_ 2010-01-19T11:28:27 rwellar__ has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T11:29:25 stuttle: It'll restart at 6:20am, since that's in our normal maintainence window anyway. 2010-01-19T11:29:54 rwellar_ has quit IRC 2010-01-19T11:30:08 michaelmiller has quit IRC 2010-01-19T11:30:08 michaelmiller_ is now known as michaelmiller 2010-01-19T11:40:20 erikrose, what can happen if i don't chown root:root a product in /usr/local/share/zope/Products on hosting? i have a number of them that are chowned root:zope, but they are working ok. 2010-01-19T11:40:46 nothing 2010-01-19T11:40:47 webliontickets: Ticket #1653 (Add RAM) updated 2010-01-19T11:40:50 As long as Zope can read them, it's fine. 2010-01-19T11:41:00 heh, erikrose. okay. 2010-01-19T11:41:04 just curious! 2010-01-19T11:41:30 WinnKing has quit IRC 2010-01-19T11:41:56 WinnKing has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T11:43:24 webliontickets: Ticket #1025 (Create speaker proposal form) closed 2010-01-19T11:43:36 tsimkins, am installing feedmixer. a good time will be had by all. 2010-01-19T11:44:02 rpruyne: I can tar up the copy we have on ours, if you want. That might be easier! 2010-01-19T11:45:10 jdeluca has left #weblion 2010-01-19T11:45:18 tsimkins, i checked out your copy. just installed it. anything special about which i should know? 2010-01-19T11:45:36 paul_r has quit IRC 2010-01-19T11:45:59 thanks for the tarring offer, tsimkins. did you buy a camera yet? 2010-01-19T11:47:04 rpruyne: Shouldn't be... If you're missing any egg-y stuff, let me know! It does need the ZCML bit in /var/lib/zope2.10/instance/plone-site/etc/package-includes 2010-01-19T11:47:53 rpruyne: You're bad influence. I ordered a D3000 this weekend. It's pretty close to the D40, but has a few more features. Although, from what I read, the D40 is a nicer camera. 2010-01-19T11:48:17 $452 from Amazon, and I got a 55-200mm zoom lens for $215. 2010-01-19T11:48:32 The body includes an 18-55m lens, too. 2010-01-19T11:48:56 good choice, tsimkins! 2010-01-19T11:49:40 I figure I can trade up in a few years if I start needing more features, but at this point, the extra $150 for a higher model wasn't worth it. 2010-01-19T11:51:13 jjmojojjmo_ has quit IRC 2010-01-19T11:51:58 * ErikRose thought the same thing about his EOS 450d. 2010-01-19T11:52:07 It's a fine body, and I'll spend the rest on glass. 2010-01-19T11:52:20 I don't need a denser display when I have an optical viewfinder. 2010-01-19T11:52:50 Yep, and that's all you need! Or a DSLR that takes video. 2010-01-19T11:54:45 yeah, in a way, the glass is more important than the body, tsimkins, erikrose. 2010-01-19T11:55:06 What I really wanted is a completely manual DSLR, but apparently they don't make those. 2010-01-19T11:55:59 paul_r has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T11:56:09 webliontickets: Ticket #1132 (Changes needed to Trac.ini) closed 2010-01-19T11:56:26 The only weird thing about my 450d is that the timer only does 2 seconds. 2010-01-19T11:56:36 Makes for some real interesting timed shots :-) 2010-01-19T11:56:41 They probably want to sell me a remote. 2010-01-19T11:57:54 Hungry, anyone? 2010-01-19T11:59:26 ErikRose has quit IRC 2010-01-19T12:01:25 rpruyne: Here's a good writeup on that 60mm lens that I had, if you're interested: http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/60mm-afd.htm 2010-01-19T12:02:43 esteele is now known as esteele|away 2010-01-19T12:03:16 thanks, tsimkins! i have the info from the page i found telling how to make the lens work with the D70 (probably the same deal with your new camera) if you need it. 2010-01-19T12:03:29 stuttle has quit IRC 2010-01-19T12:04:09 Cool... I think it should work, but it just needs to be manually focused. Not sure about the D70, but I know mine doesn't have the AF motor in the camera body. 2010-01-19T12:04:18 tsmikins, i think leica makes a fully manual dslr, but maybe that's no longer the case. besides, it would probably cost zillions of dollars, being a leica. 2010-01-19T12:05:22 Also, have you ever seen these? It gives you back that split-ring focus in the viewfinder (I think) http://www.katzeyeoptics.com/cat--Nikon-DSLRs--cat_nikon.html 2010-01-19T12:10:01 that's great, tsimkins; i really like the split-ring focus of my old canon at-1 2010-01-19T12:18:30 webliontickets: Changeset [10120]: Added lab type and set up events 2010-01-19T12:19:12 rwellar__ has quit IRC 2010-01-19T12:20:24 michaelmiller has quit IRC 2010-01-19T12:22:19 DigitalD has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T12:30:52 esteele|away has quit IRC 2010-01-19T12:40:35 paul_r has quit IRC 2010-01-19T12:45:25 esteele has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T12:45:25 ChanServ sets mode: +o esteele 2010-01-19T12:46:07 Yay. "Answer: In order to upgrade to Snow Leopard, the disk needs to be decrypted and PGP Whole Disk Encryption for Mac OS X uninstalled. The correct steps to upgrade are as follows..." 2010-01-19T12:48:36 jdeluca has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T12:49:10 paul_r has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T12:51:50 tsimkins: My documentactions is a viewlet. Is it possible to set a permission on the viewlet so it is only viewable when page is published, and not when private? 2010-01-19T12:54:41 gregangle: Do you have a viewlet class for it in browser/viewlets.py? This is what we did: https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/browser/agSciencesCollege/agCommon/trunk/browser/viewlets.py#L124 and then just checked for 'view/anonymous' in the page template. 2010-01-19T12:54:57 I'm sure you could check the workflow state and do something similar. 2010-01-19T12:56:02 The reason I went with the anonymous/not-anonymous method was that we didn't want people sharing our https URLs, and also that if it's available to a non-authenticated user, it's public by default. 2010-01-19T12:58:03 Thanks. I'll check that out. I also want to make sure users aren't sharing https pages. 2010-01-19T12:58:19 ErikRose has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T12:58:19 ChanServ sets mode: +o ErikRose 2010-01-19T12:58:35 This is excellent: http://www.infoq.com/presentations/click-crash-course-modern-hardware 2010-01-19T12:58:54 It takes you from your basic comp arch class to modern x86 2010-01-19T13:00:34 gregangle: Here's the logic behind getting the workflow state. http://pastie.org/785118 This actually publishes something, but the check is in there. Also, feel free to steal the viewlet from our skin if you want to implement it as a separate. 2010-01-19T13:02:11 tsimkins:Thanks. 2010-01-19T13:04:26 ErikRose: I was mulling over how to split up our Data.fs, and I realized that doing the whole split on a separate machine and bringing it over to our VM and changing all the Apache redirects all at once might be too big a chunk. What are your thoughts on if I did 1-3 Plone sites a night, starting with the ones that we currently have in development? 2010-01-19T13:04:48 * esteele should not have hit that 'decrypt' button... 2010-01-19T13:05:10 I'd just do the export on the VM after hours, since I'd think smaller export/imports would be less of a hit than copying a 12GB Data.fs to another server. 2010-01-19T13:06:04 tsimkins: Sounds brilliant. 2010-01-19T13:06:20 tsimkins: Then we move n sites at a time over to the new VM and re-point DNS? 2010-01-19T13:07:36 ErikRose: I don't see how moving to a different VM would help, though. 2010-01-19T13:08:11 We don't have to do that. 2010-01-19T13:08:34 But IHNI what's wrong with your current machine. For all I know, Zope itself could be corrupted. 2010-01-19T13:08:58 I'm just thinking of getting all the sites split out into their own, and then either deleting all the original ones in the main Data.fs, or bringing an empty Data.fs in place of it. 2010-01-19T13:09:22 "Zope" as in the binaries and python code on the filesystem? 2010-01-19T13:09:35 I'm over-reaching. 2010-01-19T13:09:36 SteveM has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T13:09:46 stevem! 2010-01-19T13:09:57 esteele! 2010-01-19T13:10:05 A new machine is a more "known-good" env, but I think you just have data corruption that's self-propogating. 2010-01-19T13:10:17 SteveM and esteele! 2010-01-19T13:10:40 Hi, Erik! 2010-01-19T13:11:16 jdeluca has quit IRC 2010-01-19T13:11:24 stevem: I don't think you were around last night when I said it in #plone-framework, but your overlay + aclark's add-to-groups thing + @@new-user is my favorite new bit of Plone 4. ;) 2010-01-19T13:11:30 ErikRose! 2010-01-19T13:11:39 ErikRose: Want to go the new machine route if this doesn't work? I'm open to the idea, but I think it may be overkill. 2010-01-19T13:11:53 Let's just divide up the data now, like you planned to. 2010-01-19T13:12:09 Ultimately, I think we want to move to the new cluster, since it lets us do multi-CPU. 2010-01-19T13:12:18 RobZoneNet has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T13:12:18 ChanServ sets mode: +o RobZoneNet 2010-01-19T13:12:29 Incidentally, our link checker is almost certainly a contributing factor. I turned it back on for once a week (running Sunday night) and sure enough, we had a hang that needed a manual restart at 2:40am. 2010-01-19T13:12:44 Concur. We're starting to see load issues with the number of people we have in there working. 2010-01-19T13:12:49 Those hangs are Weird. 2010-01-19T13:13:05 SteveM: Have you ever seen Zope just hang, serving no more requests and logging nothing and burning no CPU? 2010-01-19T13:13:57 I have it send a text message if the auto-restart doesn't fix it within 10 minutes. 2010-01-19T13:15:01 ErikRose: I've seen threads hang while tied up trying to use a port unsuccessfully. 2010-01-19T13:15:02 webliontickets: Changeset [10121]: Added a test for the customized signature class that takes a webob request ... 2010-01-19T13:15:31 esteele: Great (favorites)! 2010-01-19T13:15:34 SteveM: Ours are indeed hanging on a select(). What situations have you seen that in? 2010-01-19T13:15:41 michaelmiller has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T13:15:41 ChanServ sets mode: +o michaelmiller 2010-01-19T13:16:02 Just last night saw a thread hang when the mail settings weren't working. 2010-01-19T13:16:12 jdeluca has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T13:16:20 In our case, it serves great for days at a time, then it'll hang. 2010-01-19T13:16:25 Weird stuff. 2010-01-19T13:16:53 All the other hangs I've seen have used 100% CPU. 2010-01-19T13:16:56 SteveM: Usually a restart of Zope will fix it, but occasionally it takes a second kick to get it working. 2010-01-19T13:17:11 webliontickets: Ticket #1747 (Install schematuning for VBS) created 2010-01-19T13:17:16 Yeah, one way I verify that it's hanging is that the load average is zero! 2010-01-19T13:19:21 ErikRose: sorry for the milestone and components on that ticket, i wasn't entirely sure what to choose 2010-01-19T13:20:04 ErikRose: Apparently stopping/restarting the client makes a handy progress bar show up. 2010-01-19T13:20:05 rwellar: You can always choose Other. 2010-01-19T13:20:18 PGP, sorry. 2010-01-19T13:20:19 esteele: nice 2010-01-19T13:20:35 ErikRose: d'oh, didn't see it, will do in the future 2010-01-19T13:20:45 rwellar: or "Choose One", in the case of Component 2010-01-19T13:21:05 webliontickets: Ticket #1747 (Install schematuning for VBS) updated 2010-01-19T13:21:21 rwellar: If you just leave them alone, they should be fine. 2010-01-19T13:21:26 Thanks for setting Partner, tho 2010-01-19T13:21:47 erikRose: I did that originally, it complained about not selecting a milestone 2010-01-19T13:22:09 ...or maybe component, i can't remember which 2010-01-19T13:22:18 And now my drive is refusing to read the snow leopard disk. Awesome. 2010-01-19T13:22:35 There we go. 2010-01-19T13:22:41 Sixth time's the charm. 2010-01-19T13:23:22 cewing has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T13:25:12 rwellar: Component. But that defaults to Choose One. 2010-01-19T13:25:29 ErikRose: Now that's a well-built UI.... http://twitpic.com/ythpw 2010-01-19T13:25:44 Are there cleaning CDs like cleaning VHS tapes? 2010-01-19T13:26:03 esteele: reminds me of the WIndows file copy dialog 2010-01-19T13:26:22 Oh, crud. It's actually counting backwards. 2010-01-19T13:26:27 Then there's OS X's lovely progress bars that appear to flow backward. 2010-01-19T13:26:35 cjohansen_ has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T13:26:35 ChanServ sets mode: +o cjohansen_ 2010-01-19T13:27:15 cjohansen_ has quit IRC 2010-01-19T13:32:35 jjmojojjmo_ has joined #weblion ... 2010-01-19T13:33:09 It turns out that, out of our 3 switches, the one that was dedicated to our 2 wireless networks was flaky and is now dead. 2010-01-19T13:33:40 So he's going to repurpose one of our wired switches to wireless. 2010-01-19T13:34:04 As a result, we're going to be short on wired ports, so he's going to leave some of them--hopefully ones nobody is using--unplugged. 2010-01-19T13:34:10 So call him if he chooses wrong. 2010-01-19T13:34:55 cjohansen has quit IRC 2010-01-19T13:35:25 This has been a WebLion Public Service Announcement. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGmN5yDcHAo 2010-01-19T13:39:20 cah190 has left #weblion 2010-01-19T13:40:16 brada has left #weblion 2010-01-19T13:48:44 ErikRose: lol 2010-01-19T13:49:24 esteele has quit IRC 2010-01-19T13:57:22 jdeluca has left #weblion 2010-01-19T14:00:53 kevin7kal has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T14:01:20 ChanServ sets mode: +o kevin7kal 2010-01-19T14:03:53 why can any logged in user see stuff in the site that is in the private state? 2010-01-19T14:04:26 Because Member is checked in the workflow? (guess) 2010-01-19T14:04:38 Always suspect workflow. 2010-01-19T14:04:40 * paul_r goes to check 2010-01-19T14:07:04 if I modify the permissions on the workflow, do I then have to reapply the workflow so it goes back through and sets the permissions on all the objects? 2010-01-19T14:09:22 Yep 2010-01-19T14:10:33 ErikRose: that was it... Reader had three out of five permissions, I removed those, twittled the state and it's now blocking like it should 2010-01-19T14:10:35 thanx 2010-01-19T14:10:41 Ho ho! np 2010-01-19T14:10:49 and that Monkeys not Magic thing really helps 2010-01-19T14:10:54 Plone's default workflows never do what I expect. 2010-01-19T14:11:16 * paul_r is still very confused by the whole roles / workflow / permissions thing 2010-01-19T14:11:17 It doesn't help that I have no concept of what a Contributor is. 2010-01-19T14:11:23 Have you read my page? 2010-01-19T14:11:39 I might have, don't recall 2010-01-19T14:11:47 Check out everything within this heading: https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/wiki/RolesAndWorkflow#Definitions 2010-01-19T14:15:06 that helps 2010-01-19T14:15:11 cool 2010-01-19T14:20:48 SteveM is now known as SteveM|away 2010-01-19T14:23:31 guy_heckman has quit IRC 2010-01-19T14:26:22 webliontickets: Ticket #1748 (Private items are visible to all logged in users) created 2010-01-19T14:28:59 webliontickets: Ticket #1748 (Private items are visible to all logged in users) updated 2010-01-19T14:32:06 webliontickets: Ticket #1748 (Private items are visible to all logged in users) updated 2010-01-19T14:37:01 webliontickets: Ticket #1748 (Private items are visible to all logged in users) updated 2010-01-19T14:42:15 esteele has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T14:42:15 ChanServ sets mode: +o esteele 2010-01-19T14:49:00 you're not alone, paul_r. workflow can be rather a bear. 2010-01-19T14:49:20 thanx rpruyne 2010-01-19T14:55:30 michaelmiller_ has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T14:55:30 ChanServ sets mode: +o michaelmiller_ 2010-01-19T14:56:10 cewing has quit IRC 2010-01-19T14:58:53 ErikRose: I still can't get these permissions to work out... I can either allow all or no logged in users to view private items and I need to be able to say, they can't overall except in these areas. thoughts? I tried the update security settings. 2010-01-19T14:59:16 pumazi has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T14:59:16 ChanServ sets mode: +o pumazi 2010-01-19T15:02:16 ErikRose has quit IRC 2010-01-19T15:03:01 ErikRose has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T15:03:01 ChanServ sets mode: +o ErikRose 2010-01-19T15:03:54 michaelmiller__ has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T15:03:58 ChanServ sets mode: +o michaelmiller__ 2010-01-19T15:04:23 pumazi__ has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T15:04:58 ErikRose_ has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T15:09:22 pumazi has quit IRC 2010-01-19T15:11:09 "the symbol indicates a global role, which is managed by the site administrator." what is this global role stuff and why can't I manage it as the site administrator? 2010-01-19T15:12:15 michaelmiller has quit IRC 2010-01-19T15:12:16 michaelmiller__ is now known as michaelmiller 2010-01-19T15:14:06 mikehalm has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T15:14:24 webliontickets: Ticket #1748 (Private items are visible to all logged in users) updated 2010-01-19T15:15:13 pumazi_ has quit IRC 2010-01-19T15:18:51 paul_r: Those are the roles inherited from the user/groups configlet in the site prefs. 2010-01-19T15:19:15 Setting a role there for a user gives them the role sitewide("globally") 2010-01-19T15:19:57 ErikRose has quit IRC 2010-01-19T15:20:06 ah, so given that all my users are created by FSD and WebServerAuth, does that mean somewhere probably in FSD or WSA, i'm giving logged in users that role? 2010-01-19T15:20:32 It's possible... 2010-01-19T15:20:38 michaelmiller_ has quit IRC 2010-01-19T15:20:40 Though I'd be inclined to check the configlet first. 2010-01-19T15:21:26 It sounds like you're looking for a PlacefulWorkflow. 2010-01-19T15:22:00 Though I think we could make it work with some creative use of groups and roles. 2010-01-19T15:22:20 not sure what PlacefulWorkflow means, but could be 2010-01-19T15:22:57 You want "private" to mean something different in one portion of the site. 2010-01-19T15:23:53 yeah I suppose so 2010-01-19T15:24:16 I want private to mean, only owner/manager can view it, unless I grant a user/group permissions to see it 2010-01-19T15:24:26 I gather it isn't supposed to work that way 2010-01-19T15:30:30 paul_r: I believe that workflow permissions take precedence over @@sharing settings. 2010-01-19T15:30:42 Which would cause an issue for doing something that specific. 2010-01-19T15:30:46 that would make sense based on what I'm seeing 2010-01-19T15:32:23 You've tried just giving that group the Can View role on a particular page's @@sharing? 2010-01-19T15:32:41 Shoot. I had the process figured out and then lost it... 2010-01-19T15:33:18 I tried giving Can View to an individual user, but I get that thing saying that I can't change it it's a global role 2010-01-19T15:33:42 I think they key is figuring out where that's assigned globally, and turning it off. 2010-01-19T15:33:43 And you've checked the usersgroups configlet? 2010-01-19T15:33:51 jjmojojjmo_ is now known as jjmojojjmojo 2010-01-19T15:34:02 yep, none of the groups my user account belongs to has the Reader role 2010-01-19T15:34:11 Has it been assigned directly to the user? 2010-01-19T15:34:40 where would I find that? 2010-01-19T15:34:50 On the users tab. Same location. 2010-01-19T15:35:27 Should be the first thing you see when you click "Users and groups" 2010-01-19T15:36:00 ah, ok... give me a minute, this feature is broken so I have to do a show all and find my user account 2010-01-19T15:36:13 bingo... everyone has the Reader role checked 2010-01-19T15:36:43 That form is unfortunately a bit broken in Plone 3. 2010-01-19T15:36:59 this is the one you fixed for Plone 4 right? 2010-01-19T15:37:00 It shows inherited roles as checked checkboxes. 2010-01-19T15:37:02 Right. 2010-01-19T15:37:09 YAY 2010-01-19T15:37:21 ok, well I have checked boxes for all the user accounts 2010-01-19T15:37:48 so do I have to uncheck and save the changes or is there an easier way? 2010-01-19T15:37:50 Authenticated Users doesn't have Reader, does it? 2010-01-19T15:37:56 Uncheck and save, yes. 2010-01-19T15:38:00 no, it doesnt 2010-01-19T15:38:09 Or Anonymous, I suppose. 2010-01-19T15:38:20 nope, anonymous does not either 2010-01-19T15:38:25 Ok. 2010-01-19T15:38:40 cah190 has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T15:39:03 wykid has quit IRC 2010-01-19T15:39:23 wykid has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T15:40:27 I've heard differing reviews of Placeful Workflow. Some say it works, some say it doesn't. I've had zero experience with it. 2010-01-19T15:40:35 I unchecked the first 20, applied changes and when i went back, they were checked again 2010-01-19T15:40:44 Basically, you're able to say "This particular item has this workflow". 2010-01-19T15:40:52 Right. That's the stupid bug. 2010-01-19T15:40:55 ah 2010-01-19T15:41:08 So they're definitely inheriting it from somewhere. 2010-01-19T15:41:20 Any chance I could get into your prefs panels to take a look? 2010-01-19T15:41:54 yeah, I think I can make that happen... do you need the Manager role for that? 2010-01-19T15:42:01 That should do it. 2010-01-19T15:42:11 at the plone site level? 2010-01-19T15:42:16 Yeah. 2010-01-19T15:42:20 I'll be good. 2010-01-19T15:42:23 ok, give me a minute 2010-01-19T15:42:27 I trust you 2010-01-19T15:48:20 esteele: https://secure.huck.psu.edu 2010-01-19T15:55:17 all this discussion of workflow reminds me, michaelmiller, that we were going to have a group discussion about workflow at one of the PLUG groups before break. that discussion never happened, 'cause we ran out of time (i was chairing that day) 2010-01-19T15:55:51 :) Friday then!! 2010-01-19T15:56:07 michaelmiller: That'll work out well. It doesn't look like the 4.0 beta is dropping this week. 2010-01-19T15:56:13 Seems every time I plan a discussion we run out of time :) 2010-01-19T15:56:32 esteele: likely next week? 2010-01-19T15:56:39 More likely. 2010-01-19T15:56:43 ok 2010-01-19T15:57:24 you have precedent which ever week it releases 2010-01-19T15:58:29 SteveM|away is now known as SteveM 2010-01-19T15:58:59 Great. 2010-01-19T15:59:00 jjmojojjmojo has quit IRC 2010-01-19T16:00:11 paul_r: No idea where that role is coming from. I'd have to toss in a pdb somewhere to find out, I think. 2010-01-19T16:00:27 ok, well I have it configured so it will work for now 2010-01-19T16:00:45 I will keep the ticket open, make some notes on this, and maybe we can tackle it on a Friday sometime 2010-01-19T16:03:32 paul_r: Sounds good. 2010-01-19T16:04:17 I kept your account in the site, just removed your Manager role 2010-01-19T16:04:18 webliontickets: Ticket #1748 (Private items are visible to all logged in users) updated 2010-01-19T16:04:22 Ok. 2010-01-19T16:04:35 thanks for looking/trying 2010-01-19T16:05:25 esteele has quit IRC 2010-01-19T16:05:28 kevin7kal has quit IRC 2010-01-19T16:13:53 webliontickets: Changeset [10122]: upload view and upload_forms view - upload view uses a rough ... 2010-01-19T16:27:44 cah190 has left #weblion 2010-01-19T16:28:05 ErikRose_ has quit IRC 2010-01-19T16:28:12 ErikRose has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T16:28:12 ChanServ sets mode: +o ErikRose 2010-01-19T16:39:29 webliontickets: Changeset [10123]: Fixed the implementation of the custom collection portlet. 2010-01-19T16:40:51 pumazi__ has quit IRC 2010-01-19T16:51:32 webliontickets: Useful Mac Software edited 2010-01-19T16:53:13 ErikRose: If you're still there, I'm going to try doing an export/import on two trivial sites tonight. Disregard Zenoss warnings from around 8pm to 10pm. 2010-01-19T16:53:23 I'll create a maintenance window. 2010-01-19T16:54:36 Thanks for letting me know1 2010-01-19T16:58:05 michaelmiller_ has joined #weblion 2010-01-19T16:58:05 ChanServ sets mode: +o michaelmiller_ 2010-01-19T17:12:17 michaelmiller has quit IRC 2010-01-19T17:12:17 michaelmiller_ is now known as michaelmiller 2010-01-19T17:16:03 HELP! esteele was helping with my permissions problem and accessed the site, now the permissions prevent any page from loading 2010-01-19T17:18:55