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2010-01-13T06:47:37  <mrfrenzy> I'm making an FSD extender, the field shows up when editing a person and I can add info to it, however it doesn't show when viewing the person
2010-01-13T06:48:56  <mrfrenzy> never mind, found the text about views later in the readme ;)
2010-01-13T06:49:52  <mrfrenzy> it would be helpful though if the readme pointed out what it means by "do the usual skin registration
2010-01-13T06:49:56  <mrfrenzy> 59	      dance upon product installation"
2010-01-13T06:52:11  <esteele> mrfrenzy: You're welcome to update it. :)
2010-01-13T06:52:26  <esteele> (Sorry, walked away for a few minutes and missed the question before you'd figured it out)
2010-01-13T06:53:05  <mrfrenzy> esteele: hell why not, today is a good day to learn svn ;)
2010-01-13T06:53:24  <mrfrenzy> I will maka a person-view.pt for the exampleextender and try checking it in
2010-01-13T06:53:28  <esteele> mrfrenzy: Oh, right. Sorry, I was thinking of the wiki.
2010-01-13T06:55:20  <mrfrenzy> actually, in the wiki there is an example on how to modify person_view, but not in the README.txt on svn
2010-01-13T06:55:50  <mrfrenzy> I imagine keeping readme files and wiki documentation in sync is a slight hell
2010-01-13T06:56:40  <esteele> Always.
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2010-01-13T08:07:07  <mrfrenzy> I've put the modified person_view.pt in my product folder, but it is not used. What code must I put in the product in order for it to pickup the modified view?
2010-01-13T08:09:07  <paul_r> mrfrenzy: do you have a skins folder defined and such in the product?
2010-01-13T08:09:17  <mrfrenzy> no
2010-01-13T08:09:29  <mrfrenzy> I have just copied the FSD extender example product
2010-01-13T08:09:52  <mrfrenzy> it would be very helpful with info how to define this, or an example product which has it already
2010-01-13T08:10:04  * paul_r goes to look at the extender
2010-01-13T08:10:57  <mrfrenzy> it says on the wiki how to modify the pt, but not how to use it. in the readme it says "do the usual skin registration dance upon product installation" ;)
2010-01-13T08:11:30  <paul_r> and that wasn't clear ;) jk
2010-01-13T08:11:50  <paul_r> so did you start with the Products.MobilePhoneExtender that is in the examples directory of the FSD product?
2010-01-13T08:13:09  <mrfrenzy> yes
2010-01-13T08:13:42  <mrfrenzy> and then I copied the person_view.pt from svn and modified it accordingly to show the new field
2010-01-13T08:14:11  <paul_r> so in the products folder do you have a "MoblePhoneExtender" folder?
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2010-01-13T08:15:32  <mrfrenzy> no I have FacultyStaffDirectoryExtender which I got by doing svn co https://weblion.psu.edu/svn/weblion/weblion/Products.FacultyStaffDirectory/trunk/src/Products/FacultyStaffDirectory/examples/FacultyStaffDirectoryExtender/
2010-01-13T08:16:07  <mrfrenzy> and added to that https://weblion.psu.edu/svn/weblion/weblion/Products.FacultyStaffDirectory/trunk/src/Products/FacultyStaffDirectory/skins/FacultyStaffDirectory/person_view.pt
2010-01-13T08:16:24  <paul_r> ah ok
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2010-01-13T08:16:36  <paul_r> take a look at this which is a much more complete example: https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/browser/weblion/Products.FacultyStaffDirectory/tags/2.1.3/Products/FacultyStaffDirectory/examples/Products.MobilePhoneExtender
2010-01-13T08:17:08  <paul_r> this is from the newest official release. It doesn't look like anyone as updated the wiki article on FSD extenders to go with it yet though.
2010-01-13T08:17:58  <mrfrenzy> ooh look, it has the skin too!
2010-01-13T08:18:01  <mrfrenzy> thanks a lot paul_r
2010-01-13T08:18:22  <paul_r> np
2010-01-13T08:18:37  <mrfrenzy> wonder why I didn't find it while browsing the trac
2010-01-13T08:18:38  <paul_r> FYI, it is usually best to work with a tagged release instead of the trunk.
2010-01-13T08:18:49  <mrfrenzy> okay, what's the difference?
2010-01-13T08:18:49  <paul_r> not sure
2010-01-13T08:18:56  <mrfrenzy> I just assumed trunk was the latest and best
2010-01-13T08:19:11  <paul_r> It should be, but the tag is a tested and stable release
2010-01-13T08:19:33  <paul_r> not sure why the MobilePhoneExtender is not part of trunk, but I'm not one of the FSD developers
2010-01-13T08:20:52  <mrfrenzy> it seems kind of redundant to keep the old incomplete example around confusing people like me ;)
2010-01-13T08:21:28  <paul_r> I will pass it along to the doc group and see if they can't get it cleaned up.
2010-01-13T08:21:40  <mrfrenzy> great
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2010-01-13T09:35:44  <esteele> Did everyone see this blog post this morning? :) http://www.circulartriangle.com/blog/?p=15
2010-01-13T09:36:32  <esteele> mrfrenzy: Sorry to wander off on you this morning, I left for the gym and forgot to mark myself as away.
2010-01-13T09:37:39  <mrfrenzy> no problem at all esteele, I don't expect any commitment from somone for answering a question. if you don't answer you're afk ;)
2010-01-13T09:37:54  <mrfrenzy> The problem got sorted in the end
2010-01-13T09:38:04  <esteele> Great.
2010-01-13T09:38:29  <mrfrenzy> sweet, really looking forward to plone 4 now
2010-01-13T09:39:13  <mrfrenzy> esteele: in summary, the problem is that in trunk there is an old extender without a view, and the documentation is not quite up to date. when paul_r pointed me to the correct tag all was well
2010-01-13T09:39:50  <esteele> Ok.
2010-01-13T09:39:59  <esteele> Thanks paul_r.
2010-01-13T09:40:08  <esteele> Trunk is a bit... out of sorts right now.
2010-01-13T09:40:27  <esteele> We've unfortunately been working on 3 versions at once and haven't done a proper job of keeping everything synced.
2010-01-13T09:42:18  <esteele> Hanno reports that he's seeing requests/sec of 21.2 for Plone 4 on his machine. Compared to 13.1 for Plone 3.3.
2010-01-13T09:43:00  <pumazi> esteele: that's great news
2010-01-13T09:43:30  <esteele> And we're getting a new caching engine. Things should be awesome. :P
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2010-01-13T11:20:01  <tsimkins> ErikRose_:  Any idea why a personnel manager in FSD can't change the state (Active/De-activate) of a person?
2010-01-13T11:20:25  <ErikRose_> pumazi: I'm curious about this refactoring: https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/changeset/10045#file1. Doesn't that do exactly what Python's str.titlecase() does?
2010-01-13T11:21:05  <ErikRose_> tsimkins: We made some corrections to Personnel Manager's privs in 2.1.3. I wonder if it's corrected there.
2010-01-13T11:21:29  <pumazi> ErikRose_: I don't know, I've never seen titlecase
2010-01-13T11:21:43  <ErikRose_> It was what the original code used.
2010-01-13T11:21:56  <ErikRose_> str.title()
2010-01-13T11:22:18  <pumazi> looks like it
2010-01-13T11:22:23  <tsimkins> ErikRose_: Good question... 2.1.3 isn't in hosting, though, right?
2010-01-13T11:22:27  <ErikRose_> right
2010-01-13T11:22:30  <ErikRose_> I need to update that package.
2010-01-13T11:23:28  <tsimkins> Thanks! At least that's an explanation I can give to our content editors.
2010-01-13T11:23:36  <ErikRose_> pumazi: If you have a few minutes at some point, I'd like to think through some enumeration collision decisions with you.
2010-01-13T11:23:54  <ErikRose_> tsimkins: I'm not positive that's one of the 2.1.3 fixes.
2010-01-13T11:28:23  <tsimkins> ErikRose_:  "Might have been" is good enough for now.  I'll see if I can upgrade our dev environment to 2.1.3 and check there.  If it isn't, I'll open a ticket.
2010-01-13T11:28:29  <ErikRose_> k
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2010-01-13T11:42:19  <esteele> ErikRose: Did you see that new Zope release come across?
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2010-01-13T11:46:04  <paul_r> so I have run across two separate plone installs both running 3.3.1 that won't allow any logins to the ZMI, everything returns "bad password"
2010-01-13T11:46:09  <paul_r> any thoughts?
2010-01-13T11:46:09  <BHoffman> Have my first Plone 4 site up and running. Woo hoo!
2010-01-13T11:46:18  <paul_r> Woo!
2010-01-13T11:47:03  <esteele> BHoffman: Great!
2010-01-13T11:47:16  <esteele> BHoffman: a3 I presume?
2010-01-13T11:47:34  <BHoffman> Now to try adding some things to buildout...
2010-01-13T11:47:47  <mrfrenzy> paul_r: create a recovery password?
2010-01-13T11:47:48  <BHoffman> esteele: if that's the latest...yes
2010-01-13T11:48:07  <esteele> BHoffman: Latest that doesn't involve svn, yes. ;)
2010-01-13T11:48:28  <BHoffman> esteele: You got it!
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2010-01-13T11:52:37  <paul_r> mrfrenzy: yep, I created a dummy account and I'm in
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2010-01-13T12:12:47  <paul_r> I created a sub-specialty in FSD, it's in the private state but it does not show up in the list of criteria for a collection. I created 6 of these and about half show up and half do not. I updated the catalog, no change. thoughts?
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2010-01-13T12:25:12  <kevinharvey> Is there a public login to see videos from PSE09?
2010-01-13T12:25:35  <kevinharvey> I'm trying to see claytron's "Generic Setup De-Mystified"
2010-01-13T12:26:16  <paul_r> kevinharvey: what's the url you are using?
2010-01-13T12:26:45  <kevinharvey> http://plone.org/events/regional/plone-symposium-east-2009/clayton-parker-generic-setup-de-mystified
2010-01-13T12:26:50  <kevinharvey> probably the wrong one :)
2010-01-13T12:27:36  <paul_r> ok, I have PSU credentials and I can't access it either
2010-01-13T12:27:51  <paul_r> michaelmiller is probably the one to talk to and he's not online at the moment
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2010-01-13T12:29:57  <kevinharvey> Will do. Thanks so much!
2010-01-13T12:30:16  <paul_r> np, sorry I couldn't be of more help
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2010-01-13T12:35:04  <pumazi> kevinharvey, paul_r: I don't know why but some of the pse 09 videos are not public
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2010-01-13T12:39:54  <pumazi> kevinharvey: https://streaming.psu.edu/media/?movieId=8710 <-- let me know if you find any problems with the video
2010-01-13T12:41:06  <paul_r> pumazi: video is choppy but playing and the audio is fine, but I'm logged into webaccess
2010-01-13T12:42:53  <pumazi> paul_r: I made it public, but I don't think luke made it publicly available for that reason
2010-01-13T12:43:02  <paul_r> ah, could be
2010-01-13T12:43:24  <paul_r> it's useful since the audio is ok, just not ideal
2010-01-13T12:43:29  <kevinharvey> Magnificent! Thanks so much!
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2010-01-13T12:44:40  <pumazi> kevinharvey: if the video turns out ok in your opinion, I'll update the plone page you pasted, but let me know after you watch through it
2010-01-13T12:46:19  <kevinharvey> I watched http://plone.org/events/regional/plone-symposium-east-2009/clayton-parker-generic-setup-de-mystified yesterday, and it looks as good as that
2010-01-13T12:46:48  <kevinharvey> sorry, I meant https://streaming.psu.edu/media/?movieId=8545
2010-01-13T12:48:25  <pumazi> that was a good talk
2010-01-13T12:49:16  <kevinharvey> yeah, jjmojojjmojo was a riot
2010-01-13T12:50:09  <kevinharvey> pumazi: I've got to run now, I'll let you know after I watch Clayton's video if it's what I needed. Thanks again
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2010-01-13T14:15:57  <tsimkins> What does the "Manage portal" permission provide?  It looks like I have to give a "Portlet manager" role that so they can edit static text portlets.
2010-01-13T14:17:41  <paul_r> tsimkins: I did this for the CIDD site, trying to remember what I did to give them the ability to edit static text portlets
2010-01-13T14:18:04  <RobZoneNet> tsimkins: there is another option...
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2010-01-13T14:18:41  <RobZoneNet> tsimkins: you can make a custom portlet that gets the info from a certain page :)  then the only power they would need is to edit that page
2010-01-13T14:19:46  <paul_r> I think the Portlets: Manage portlets is what I assigned to the editor role so that users could edit them
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2010-01-13T14:19:52  <RobZoneNet> you would call something like tal:content="structure context/MYPAGENAME/cookedBody but that is on top of my head
2010-01-13T14:20:16  <paul_r> RobZoneNet way is pretty cool and also probably easier for the users to figure out how to work with
2010-01-13T14:22:50  <BHoffman> Where do we report Plone 4 product incompatibilities?
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2010-01-13T14:24:24  <tsimkins> RobZoneNet, paul_r: I actually have a custom portlet manager role that can edit *most* portlets.  However, it wouldn't let someone add a static text portlet, so I dug in the code and found 'edit_permission="cmf.ManagePortal"' in the configure.zcml.  Giving the role the "Manage Portal" permission in the ZMI allowed them to edit static portlets.  I was just curious what else that role gave them.
2010-01-13T14:25:01  <paul_r> I think it gives them the ability to add, edit, move portlets
2010-01-13T14:25:22  <paul_r> as I recall, it gave significant power to a users
2010-01-13T14:25:36  <tsimkins> Hmm... How's that different than "Manage portlets", then?
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2010-01-13T14:29:34  <paul_r> not sure tsimkins
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2010-01-13T14:46:20  <RobZoneNet> i am not sure either. I bet you could find out what the role is in the zmi
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2010-01-13T15:03:57  <ErikRose_> ticket acknowledged, tsimkins
2010-01-13T15:04:03  <ErikRose_> Thanks for testing.
2010-01-13T15:04:42  <tsimkins> ErikRose_:  No problem!  Any idea when you'll roll out v2.1.3 to hosting?
2010-01-13T15:05:05  <tsimkins> I got to spend about two and a half hours figuring out why my 3.1.7 buildout was blowing up, too ;-)
2010-01-13T15:05:19  <ErikRose_> Not offhand, but it shouldn't be hard.
2010-01-13T15:05:32  <ErikRose_> tsimkins: You too? We just went through that for about 4 hours yesterday with gregangle.
2010-01-13T15:05:42  <ErikRose_> Repeatable my foot.
2010-01-13T15:06:00  <ErikRose_> Though that one might have been partially our fault.
2010-01-13T15:06:19  <tsimkins> Yeah...  It was trying to install Zope 2.12 because it tried to pull down Plone 3.2/3.3, which installed CMFCore 2.2.0.
2010-01-13T15:06:43  <ErikRose_> 3.3 doesn't run on 2.12, does it?
2010-01-13T15:07:06  <tsimkins> Once I pinned all my versions to reasonable defaults, I dug through the eggs to find out what was requiring Zope 2.12, and it turned out to be CMFCore.
2010-01-13T15:07:19  <ErikRose_> ah
2010-01-13T15:07:40  <tsimkins> Not sure...  Somehow I doubt it, because I *think* I saw 2.12 requires Python 2.6.
2010-01-13T15:08:00  <tsimkins> Nope, 2.5 OR 2.6
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2010-01-13T15:09:40  <esteele> tsimkins: You'll need to pin plone.recipe.zope2instance to 3.6
2010-01-13T15:10:09  <tsimkins> esteele:  Yep!  That's what I saw in this article:  http://plone.org/documentation/kb/repair-a-plone-3.1-buildout
2010-01-13T15:15:48  <pumazi> why is the psu ldap so flat
2010-01-13T15:15:55  <pumazi> argh!
2010-01-13T15:16:13  <tsimkins> pumazi:  Too many people... It weighs it down. ;-)
2010-01-13T15:16:38  <pumazi> :P
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2010-01-13T15:40:01  <BHoffman> esteele: I think my hope of going straight to a 4.x site was too optimistic. I have a feeling it will take months and months for all of the products we use to become 4.x compatible. Would you agree?
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2010-01-13T15:41:14  <esteele> BHoffman: I think you're going to see most of them to start moving once the betas come out.
2010-01-13T15:41:32  <esteele> Until that point, it's still a moving target.
2010-01-13T15:42:00  <BHoffman> hmm
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2010-01-13T15:46:47  <esteele> BHoffman: What products in particular are causing issues?
2010-01-13T15:53:31  <BHoffman> So far, quintagroup.seoptimizer, clouseau, and gloworm
2010-01-13T15:53:38  <BHoffman> I stopped there
2010-01-13T15:53:44  <esteele> Ah, yeah.
2010-01-13T15:54:17  <esteele> I've been otherwise occupied. I need to find some time to fix Gloworm.
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2010-01-13T15:55:02  <BHoffman> esteele: Yeah, you probably have been a bit busy!
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2010-01-13T16:53:29  <catherinew> hello tsimkins, paul_r ... I've just been reading today's logs and noticed a discussion about adding static text portlets
2010-01-13T16:53:47  <catherinew> I filed a ticket with dev.plone.org over a year ago about this issue
2010-01-13T16:53:53  <catherinew> lemme see if I can dig it up
2010-01-13T16:53:59  <paul_r> actually having content providers be able to edit the content
2010-01-13T16:54:10  <paul_r> yeah I recall seeing that when I did my work for the CIDD site
2010-01-13T16:54:18  <paul_r> they still haven't fixed it if I recall correctly
2010-01-13T16:55:26  <catherinew> Here we are: http://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/8409
2010-01-13T16:56:21  <catherinew> iirc if you give the Manage Portal permission, you are effectively making your users managers, able to access everything in the ZMI... YIKES
2010-01-13T16:57:21  <catherinew> If portlets are not going away in Plone 4 (I forget what's Plone 4 vs Plone 5), maybe it would be worth a word with esteele to see if this fix could be incorporated
2010-01-13T16:57:42  <catherinew> I'm personally surprised that people aren't beefing about this more
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2010-01-13T17:01:50  <catherinew> Reading the comments here http://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/8403 there may be some progress towards this issue in Plone 3.3
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2010-01-13T17:16:08  <SnarfBot> webliontickets: Changeset [10050]: Fixed the ldap search to incrementally search for all the members of the ... <https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/changeset/10050>
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2010-01-13T19:41:01  <SnarfBot> webliontickets: Ticket #1739 (Hosting - Error when viewing contents in root directory) updated <https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/ticket/1739#comment:2>
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