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2010-01-08T10:45:43  <jdeluca> WHosting folks ... anyone tried purging a stylesheet that is a merge of several files?
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2010-01-08T10:46:34  <paul_r> purging it? why not just cycle CSS debug mode and it will generate a new merged file?
2010-01-08T10:46:39  <esteele> jdeluca: Merged by portal_css?
2010-01-08T10:46:49  <jdeluca> seems like is should work.  I get a status code 200 when I submit it, but it's not getting purged
2010-01-08T10:46:53  <esteele> Yeah, what paul_r said. :)
2010-01-08T10:47:14  <jdeluca> ok
2010-01-08T10:47:25  <jdeluca> sounds easy -- I like easy
2010-01-08T10:48:42  <jdeluca> hehe.  I was making that harder than it hard to be ... again
2010-01-08T10:48:52  <jdeluca> thanks paul_r :-)
2010-01-08T10:49:02  <paul_r> np
2010-01-08T10:51:09  <tgfisher> ErikRose: David started researching wildcard SSLs for the solution we talked about yesterday
2010-01-08T10:51:44  <tgfisher> he came across a post from you and wanted to know if you had any idea what the drawbacks you spoke of in the post may be...
2010-01-08T10:51:45  <tgfisher> http://weblion.psu.edu/news/webserverauth-1.1-saves-money-on-ssl-certs
2010-01-08T10:54:54  <tsimkins> tgfisher:  One of the drawbacks is that you'll have to be extra careful when using absolute urls (beginning with "/") in the rich text editor, especially within portlets.  When you're in the logged in mode, the URLs will be different than the logged out mode.
2010-01-08T10:56:17  <tsimkins> A use case we have is that someone creates a static text portlet on a folder, and uses the Kupu editor to pick a link, which makes it relative.  But, since it's relative to the folder, it will be messed up on all sub-folders and subpages.  So, we have to use an absolute URL beginning with the "/".
2010-01-08T10:56:50  <tsimkins> But, if you go to the secure/fred and secure/matilda model in the article, that blows that method out of the water.
2010-01-08T10:58:59  <tgfisher> tsimkins: I'm actually referring to the wildcard certs and why they aren't allowed at Penn State
2010-01-08T10:59:04  <tgfisher> sorry
2010-01-08T11:01:18  <tsimkins> tgfisher:  No problem!
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2010-01-08T11:16:33  <esteele> Anyone have Plone core bugs that they've been really wanting to see fixed, but haven't? I'm trying to go through the tracker and make sure things get picked up before it's too late with 4.0
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2010-01-08T11:22:43  <jdeluca> esteele: I'm not sure, but has the search functionality in Users and Groups control panel been fixed?
2010-01-08T11:23:04  <esteele> jdeluca: Yes. That's one of my fixes.
2010-01-08T11:23:36  <jdeluca> what version was that fixed in? do you recall?
2010-01-08T11:23:41  <esteele> jdeluca: 4.0
2010-01-08T11:23:55  <jdeluca> oh ... it's coming.  Cool.
2010-01-08T11:24:06  <esteele> It required making some big changes to the way that form worked, so it wasn't possible to do it in a 3.x release.
2010-01-08T11:24:35  <jdeluca> must say that that one is maddening
2010-01-08T11:24:43  <jdeluca> appreciate the fix
2010-01-08T11:25:00  <esteele> Oh, and while I have a group of integrators in front of me... does anyone see a problem with allowing anon users to send feedback to authors (on the author page) assuming that you've set the "allow anonymous users to view 'about' pages" option?
2010-01-08T11:25:40  <esteele> Seems straightforward, but I get the feeling somebody's going to pitch a fit over it. ;)
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2010-01-08T11:30:07  <tsimkins> esteele:  I have a few Generic Setup gripes, but I think that's outside the core Plone scope, right?
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2010-01-08T11:30:27  <esteele> tsimkins: Yeah, that's mostly CMF. Though we can have some control over it.
2010-01-08T11:31:21  <esteele> That's really the one thing I've learned from this job: most of what people hate about Plone about isn't particularly Plone's fault, it's further down the stack.
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2010-01-08T11:31:53  <esteele> That said, we are trying to redo a lot of it to be more sane and dump dependencies where we can.
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2010-01-08T12:16:22  <ErikRose> jdeluca: Re your stylesheets: you pretty much have to purge the world when you change CSS, because cached pages refer to a specific merged sheet by name.
2010-01-08T12:16:36  <ErikRose> stuttle: Pong
2010-01-08T12:18:43  <jdeluca> ErikRose: you mean the "merged name"?
2010-01-08T12:18:52  <jdeluca> like this facultyStaffDirectory-cachekey6052.css
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2010-01-08T12:22:20  <ErikRose> tgfisher: The problem with wildcards at PSU that I had in mind was that you'd never manage to get a *.psu.edu cert. You could certainly get *.ohr.psu.edu, though.
2010-01-08T12:22:27  <ErikRose> jdeluca: Yep
2010-01-08T12:22:33  <tgfisher> ok
2010-01-08T12:22:43  <jdeluca> that was the one I tried to purge
2010-01-08T12:23:12  <jdeluca> using the VirtualHostMonsterishness
2010-01-08T12:23:36  <jdeluca> got a 200 when I submitted, but it didn't purge
2010-01-08T12:23:58  <jdeluca> at any rate paul_r set me straight on a simple method to get those changes applied
2010-01-08T12:24:02  <ErikRose> How do you know it didn't purge?
2010-01-08T12:27:25  <jdeluca> the changes weren't showing up
2010-01-08T12:30:57  <stuttle> ErikRose: can I get in line with Joe for a bit of your time at PUG?
2010-01-08T12:33:03  <ErikRose> sure
2010-01-08T12:33:15  <ErikRose> jdeluca: Did you try loading the old merged sheet and it loaded?
2010-01-08T12:33:40  <ErikRose> jdeluca: Your bigger problem is that all your old cached pages refer to a specific merged stylesheet by name, and that name changes when you update the CSS.
2010-01-08T12:34:02  <ErikRose> Especially if you purged the merged stylesheet, you have to purge all your cached pages that might refer to it.
2010-01-08T12:34:08  <ErikRose> Usually, that means totally purging Squid.
2010-01-08T12:34:14  <jdeluca> ahhh
2010-01-08T12:34:20  <jdeluca> that makes sense
2010-01-08T12:34:55  <ErikRose> CSS changes in production hurt.
2010-01-08T12:36:25  <jdeluca> the new merged stylesheet has a new filename
2010-01-08T12:36:34  <jdeluca> of course
2010-01-08T12:36:58  <jdeluca> the old file is still accessible though
2010-01-08T12:37:52  <ErikRose> Unless it's coming from a cache, I'm surprised.
2010-01-08T12:38:08  <jdeluca> maybe it is ... one sec
2010-01-08T12:38:15  <ErikRose> You said you purged it...
2010-01-08T12:39:14  <jdeluca> I did indeed
2010-01-08T12:39:19  <jdeluca> getting that 404 now
2010-01-08T12:39:44  <jdeluca> now it all fits
2010-01-08T12:40:21  * ErikRose loves it when the universe makes sense.
2010-01-08T12:40:35  <jdeluca> sort of
2010-01-08T12:40:48  <ErikRose> Come on, Joe, you're harshing my ommm.
2010-01-08T12:41:28  <jdeluca> if the purge was successful, I should have had missing styles when those pages called that stylesheet
2010-01-08T12:41:42  <ErikRose> Yep.
2010-01-08T12:41:46  <ErikRose> Sure they weren't cached in the browser?
2010-01-08T12:42:11  <jdeluca> very sure
2010-01-08T12:42:28  <ErikRose> I always try loading the CSS in a new window and examining the cache headers.
2010-01-08T12:42:46  <jdeluca> It's possible they were missing and I just didn't notice
2010-01-08T12:43:34  <ErikRose> I would be surprised if CacheFu or portal_css hangs onto old versions.
2010-01-08T12:43:41  <jdeluca> a lot of those styles are probably fairly specific
2010-01-08T12:43:51  <jdeluca> we'll go with that
2010-01-08T12:43:58  <jdeluca> and restore your ommm
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2010-01-08T13:27:15  <francisluke> We will be broadcasting at:  http://www.ustream.tv/channel/plone-users-weekly
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2010-01-08T13:34:20  <esteele_> It it possible to show this on both screens?
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2010-01-08T13:44:05  <eprescott> volume is a bit quite..
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2010-01-08T13:50:19  <pumazi_> I just got contacted on twitter about a drupal post I made nearly 4 years ago http://drupal.org/node/65734
2010-01-08T13:50:22  <pumazi_> crazy
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2010-01-08T14:02:03  <rosepruyne> http://remoteusability.com/tools/
2010-01-08T14:02:35  <ErikRose> esteele: No, the wiring isn't there.
2010-01-08T14:02:49  <Fosten> francisluke: consider lowering the thermostat before the meeting starts, the furnace can easily be heard on the feed
2010-01-08T14:02:56  <esteele> Ah.
2010-01-08T14:03:07  <eprescott> hmmmmmmmmmmm hmmmmmmmm
2010-01-08T14:03:14  <esteele> The projector, you mean?
2010-01-08T14:03:17  <eprescott> furnace sound...
2010-01-08T14:03:24  <ErikRose> eprescott: Is that any better?
2010-01-08T14:03:25  <Fosten> oh perhaps thats it
2010-01-08T14:03:25  <eprescott> something is humming now.
2010-01-08T14:03:30  <eprescott> nope
2010-01-08T14:03:45  <ErikRose> Closed the door, hoping we were hearing the furnace directly outside it.
2010-01-08T14:03:48  <ErikRose> Oh well.
2010-01-08T14:04:06  <Fosten> looks and sounds good overall!  thanks guys!
2010-01-08T14:04:10  <francisluke> my computer is right below the camera which is right below the projector...so.
2010-01-08T14:04:13  <esteele> I got momentarily confused because I just submitted a ticket comment saying "can we legitimately pull this into 4.0?" and thought that was what you were taking about. :)
2010-01-08T14:04:46  <ErikRose> hehe, sorry
2010-01-08T14:04:47  <francisluke> glad it's at least understandable.
2010-01-08T14:05:14  <esteele> ErikRose: Maybe you have an opinion on that one too. :) https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/7897
2010-01-08T14:05:53  <esteele> I'm trying to do some gardening and see what we can pull into the release before we get too close to any sort of freeze.
2010-01-08T14:06:14  <ErikRose> esteele: I'm +1.
2010-01-08T14:06:20  <ErikRose> That's something I wish Trac would do.
2010-01-08T14:11:43  <rosepruyne> https://wikispaces.psu.edu/display/psuweb/UsabilityTesting
2010-01-08T14:12:27  <Fosten> when would the proposed beta unified installer test party be roughly?  jan 22?
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2010-01-08T14:18:01  <michaelmiller> esteele: https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/9079
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2010-01-08T14:21:51  <esteele> pumazi_: I think the vague answer to that right now is to create a custom add view (made easier by one of Martin's PLIPs).
2010-01-08T14:23:12  <pumazi_> esteele: that's only one piece of that ticket though
2010-01-08T14:23:33  <pumazi_> esteele: I think the biggest think is the deletion bit
2010-01-08T14:24:09  <esteele> Ah. Yeah.
2010-01-08T14:26:02  <Fosten> has anyone had problems with p4a.videoembed messing up the default link content type?
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2010-01-08T14:48:50  <ErikRose> jdeluca: I'm free whenever you are ready.
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2010-01-08T14:54:18  <esteele> paul_r: http://n2.nabble.com/The-State-of-Drupal-td4047174.html#a4047174
2010-01-08T14:54:44  <SnarfBot> webliontickets: Ticket #1659 (Tour information portlets) updated <https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/ticket/1659#comment:1>
2010-01-08T14:59:05  <ErikRose> esteele: http://realultimatepower.net/
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2010-01-08T15:12:45  <rosepruyne> lukebrannon, http://www.loop11.com/usability-test/2850/introduction/
2010-01-08T15:13:10  <lukebrannon> rosepruyne: what's this?
2010-01-08T15:16:05  <rosepruyne> lukebrannon, ignore please. sorry.
2010-01-08T15:16:17  <lukebrannon> np :)
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2010-01-08T15:19:49  <pumazi_> ErikRose: have you made your flight plans yet?
2010-01-08T15:20:34  <ErikRose> No, I'm still straightening out the conflict with the HR course.
2010-01-08T15:21:52  <lukebrannon> has the weblion conference been announced officially?
2010-01-08T15:24:21  <SnarfBot> webliontickets: Changeset [9997]: buildout changed <https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/changeset/9997>
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2010-01-08T15:28:35  <ErikRose> lukebrannon: yessir
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2010-01-08T15:38:42  <lukebrannon> ErikRose: great!  I just found the dates... need to get them on the bosses schedule now ;)
2010-01-08T15:39:20  <ErikRose> Woot!
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2010-01-08T15:55:04  <stuttle> ErikRose: Since the anth22Test site was a copy I assume the "phantom user" was there too. I went to delete in ZMI>acl_users but portal_role_manager gives an error. Thought you might want to see this
2010-01-08T15:55:59  <ErikRose> Ah yes, I've seen that one before.
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2010-01-08T15:56:51  <stuttle> related to angelpas?
2010-01-08T15:57:31  <ErikRose> stuttle: Very likely. It looks like a repeat of https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/ticket/649
2010-01-08T15:57:40  <ErikRose> The same thing might fix that and our recursion problem.
2010-01-08T15:57:43  <ErikRose> Ugly, ugly, ugly.
2010-01-08T15:58:12  <stuttle> OK - I'll take a look on Monday
2010-01-08T15:58:18  <stuttle> good luck
2010-01-08T15:58:39  <ErikRose> thx!
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2010-01-08T16:51:50  <ErikRose> Happy changeset 10,000 weblion!
2010-01-08T16:51:51  <SnarfBot> webliontickets: Changeset [10000]: Uncommented a test that turns out to actually be important within the ... <https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/changeset/10000>
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