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2009-08-26T09:50:10  <BradA> Is there anything on the wiki about the PSU thumbprint authentication?  I'm trying a few searches now but haven't found anything as of yet.
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2009-08-26T09:52:08  <cah190> BradA: Do you mean WebAccess, which uses Cosign?  That's the single sign-on stuff that many web sites around the University use.
2009-08-26T09:54:13  <BradA> That would be it.  I didn't know exactly what it was called.
2009-08-26T09:55:02  <cah190> Penn State's documentation is here: http://aset.its.psu.edu/docs/webaccess/
2009-08-26T09:56:28  <cah190> And there should be a number of entries in the WebLion wiki on integrating it with Plone.  I think searching on "cosign" should give you good results.  This page is a good starting point: https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/wiki/CosignifyPlone
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2009-08-26T10:15:23  <BradA> cah190: I think the major problem is our server is Windows based.  I'll see what I can dig up, though.  Thanks!
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2009-08-26T10:32:56  <cah190> BradA: I know there are Cosign filters for the IIS web server software that work pretty well, though I think you need something like Enfold Proxy to get Plone wired up to the server.
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2009-08-26T10:37:51  <ErikRose> GRAHHHH!!
2009-08-26T10:38:02  <esteele> Is it Wednesday already?
2009-08-26T10:38:04  <ErikRose> 2 weeks of parking in the bike rack, and $60 worth of damage to my bike so far.
2009-08-26T10:38:35  <ErikRose> This is not acceptable.
2009-08-26T10:38:59  <ErikRose> We put that damn rack in, and we can't even use it.
2009-08-26T10:39:17  <paul_r> ErikRose: that sucks man :(
2009-08-26T10:39:22  <ErikRose> I'm really pissed.
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2009-08-26T10:39:38  <ErikRose> 1 stolen fender, 1 wire ripped out of the back of my cycle computer.
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2009-08-26T10:52:00  <cah190> Good grief, I had no idea the weblion office was located in a ghetto; I'm sorry to hear about your bike misfortunes, ErikRose.  =(
2009-08-26T10:52:21  <ErikRose> Feel free to send cards.
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2009-08-26T11:04:47  <tsimkins> ErikRose:  You need to get yourself one of these - http://www.dahon.com/
2009-08-26T11:05:30  <tsimkins> We have one we won in a Snapple cap contest a few years ago.  It folds up to the size of a milk crate.
2009-08-26T11:05:38  <ErikRose> Wow.
2009-08-26T11:06:24  <ErikRose> Not outrageously expensive, either
2009-08-26T11:06:27  <ErikRose> $600
2009-08-26T11:07:20  <tsimkins> I guess the guy that started the company wanted to bike to a bus stop that was a little too far to walk, and then take his bike on the bus with him.  He got a Huffy and a hacksaw, and came up with a prototype.
2009-08-26T11:07:37  <ErikRose> I approve! :-)
2009-08-26T11:07:59  <tsimkins> I think ours was the $250 model when I looked it up after we'd won it.
2009-08-26T11:08:24  <esteele> ErikRose: We have access to the cage in Rider now, don't we?
2009-08-26T11:08:49  <ErikRose> Yeah. It's a bit of a walk, but I might have to do that.
2009-08-26T11:10:08  <ErikRose> It wouldn't fix the theft, but at least it'd stop the accidental damage.
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2009-08-26T11:45:44  <ErikRose> HTH does the fsd tool get locked via WebDAV?
2009-08-26T11:46:13  <esteele> Fun, isn't it?
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2009-08-26T11:49:18  <ErikRose> fsd.wl_clearLocks() ftw
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2009-08-26T11:49:41  <ErikRose> Now I'm down to ValueError: No ruleset with id 'people_classifications'
2009-08-26T11:49:46  <catherine-w> Hi RobZoneNet -- was catching up on tweets from the last few weeks and saw aclark was musing about why one can't toggle into CSS debug mode from Plone (rather than the ZMI), and why one can't edit CSS from within Plone... wondered if you'd seen that
2009-08-26T11:49:59  <esteele> ErikRose: Reinstall FSD and relations.
2009-08-26T11:50:01  <catherine-w> RobZoneNet: sounds like what CSSManagerNG will do :)
2009-08-26T11:50:07  <ErikRose> Can't. :-)
2009-08-26T11:50:11  <ErikRose> WorkflowException: No workflow provides '${name}' information.
2009-08-26T11:50:12  <RobZoneNet> :)
2009-08-26T11:50:27  <esteele> Ah, well fix that one first.
2009-08-26T11:50:39  <RobZoneNet> it is cssmanager the next gen catherine-w  :)
2009-08-26T11:50:49  <catherine-w> RobZoneNet: indeedy :)
2009-08-26T11:50:57  <ErikRose> Hey, it's catherine-w! Long time, no see!
2009-08-26T11:50:59  <esteele> I'm happy that Plone 4 sticks everything in debug mode when running fg.
2009-08-26T11:51:13  <ErikRose> And I'm happy that it turns them off when now.
2009-08-26T11:51:14  <paul_r> that's cool
2009-08-26T11:51:14  <RobZoneNet> we are going to allow for css editing in the next version
2009-08-26T11:51:14  <ErikRose> not
2009-08-26T11:51:16  <catherine-w> ErikRose: halloooo - yeah, been traveling
2009-08-26T11:51:20  <RobZoneNet> esteele: that rocks
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2009-08-26T11:51:37  <catherine-w> esteele: that makes immense sense
2009-08-26T11:51:52  <esteele> RobZoneNet: We aught to PLIP something for a css/logo configlet for 4.1
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2009-08-26T11:53:08  <catherine-w> When one says "aught" when one means "ought" / It's clear that one's grammar / has all come to naught
2009-08-26T11:53:48  <catherine-w> (and yes, cewing, I did see that apostrophe in yesterday's logs :) )
2009-08-26T11:53:51  <RobZoneNet> yes we should esteele
2009-08-26T11:54:34  * esteele makes a quacking motion with his hand.
2009-08-26T11:54:41  <ErikRose> Bah, now workflow has broken the whole site.
2009-08-26T11:54:52  <cewing> catherine-w: damn damn damn!  There goes my reputation :)
2009-08-26T11:55:25  <catherine-w> cewing: don't worry, I think you are in the majority :(
2009-08-26T11:55:26  <cah190> If you need any help with that css/logo configlet thing, I'd be glad to help.
2009-08-26T11:55:45  <tsimkins> ErikRose:  Re workflow, I've seen that same error a bunch of times.
2009-08-26T11:55:50  <ErikRose> Oh yeah?
2009-08-26T11:55:57  <tsimkins> I don't think FSD likes the single state workflow.
2009-08-26T11:56:07  <ErikRose> which I'm not using
2009-08-26T11:56:25  <tsimkins> I always have to put it back to the simple publication workflow before I reinstall.
2009-08-26T11:56:41  <tsimkins> Not sure what the root cause is, but I recognize the symptom.
2009-08-26T11:57:02  <SnarfBot> webliontickets: Ticket #1403 (WorkflowException in ...) created <https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/ticket/1403>
2009-08-26T11:57:55  <cewing> tsimkins, ErikRose, it's probably worth noting that the workflow state of various FSD objects has implications for their membersip properties.  Just in case that's part of what's causing your problems here
2009-08-26T11:58:08  <ErikRose> It is. :-)
2009-08-26T11:58:25  <tsimkins> cewing:  Interesting!
2009-08-26T11:59:12  <cewing> catherine-w: on the CV front, I'm headed down to Mexico to work with Sergio, Gil and everyone else from the UNAM team on a first swipe at the CV Manager tool in October.  We should set aside some time to chat before then if possible (and if you're still interested in participating in the project)
2009-08-26T11:59:30  <catherine-w> cewing: sounds good. When are you going?
2009-08-26T12:00:05  <catherine-w> (which part of October?)
2009-08-26T12:00:29  <cewing> tsimkins: yeah, Membrane keeps a list of the 'active' workflow state/states for each type of object that provides user or group functionality.  If you change the workflow for FSD, you'll have to make sure to set membrane correctly.
2009-08-26T12:01:17  <cewing> tsimkins: the membrane_tool in the ZMI has the setting in it.  You can also find basic setup of the stock settings in the FSD profile (I think it's called membrane.xml)
2009-08-26T12:01:27  <cewing> catherine-w: from the 5th to the 11th.
2009-08-26T12:01:37  <catherine-w> OK, early October
2009-08-26T12:01:42  <cewing> yep
2009-08-26T12:01:58  <ErikRose> Things are so broken, I can't even access the quickinstaller through the ZMI, with my root-level user.
2009-08-26T12:02:07  <catherine-w> ErikRose: ouch
2009-08-26T12:02:10  <ErikRose> It just spins forever.
2009-08-26T12:02:29  <ErikRose> This stuff is way too fragile.
2009-08-26T12:02:43  <cewing> ErikRose: dude!  That's messed up!
2009-08-26T12:02:45  <tsimkins> cewing:  Thanks!  I'll have to check that out the next time we get that error.  We've been putting our sites in single state WF for dev, and then going to the production workflow shortly before we go to production.
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2009-08-26T12:03:13  <tsimkins> ErikRose:  Still good for our 1pm re: load balancing?
2009-08-26T12:03:24  <ErikRose> Yep
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2009-08-26T12:03:39  <ErikRose> Though I'd like to take a look at your caching first
2009-08-26T12:03:56  <ErikRose> We might get a 10x speed bump out of that if it's wrong rather than a 2x from LB
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2009-08-26T12:04:58  <ErikRose> We'll put schematuning on, too
2009-08-26T12:05:33  <tsimkins> ErikRose:  Works for me!  The issue with the .gif icons seemed to come and go when I was playing with it yesterday.
2009-08-26T12:05:58  <ErikRose> At 3 I have a Framework Team telecon, just so's ya know.
2009-08-26T12:08:14  * ErikRose can't even traverse into the Plone site in the ZMI.
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2009-08-26T12:14:50  <cewing> ErikRose: can you get in via debug?  Is WSA blocking access from the zope admin user?
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2009-08-26T12:15:11  <ErikRose> cewing: WSA shouldn't be kicking in. I fear membrane might be, though.
2009-08-26T12:15:19  <ErikRose> I'm ssh tunneling in and using my root-level user.
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2009-08-26T12:17:35  <cewing> ErikRose: eek.  But the membrane plugins should fail to find the username and cascade to the next plugin.
2009-08-26T12:18:04  <ErikRose> I'd be really happy just to get an error at this point.
2009-08-26T12:18:09  <cewing> hmmmmm.  is there an id collision?  Is there a non-privileged plone user with the same id as your root level one?
2009-08-26T12:18:15  <ErikRose> I can't even traverse to portal_properties.
2009-08-26T12:18:22  <ErikRose> No, my user ID is unique.
2009-08-26T12:18:54  <ErikRose> At least I get an error when WSA and membrane kick off. Maybe I'll start there.
2009-08-26T12:19:12  <cewing> wow.  sounds like a real mess.  Is this a live site?
2009-08-26T12:19:17  <ErikRose> not yet
2009-08-26T12:19:43  <ErikRose> Was supposed to go live MOnday, though.
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2009-08-26T12:33:54  <angelawong> Hey all.  I need some help.  I have been posting this at #plone and for some reason, I am not getting any response.  I have also checked the plone.org and there seems to be no known solution.  I may not be looking at the right place.  I am trying to upgrade from Plone 3.2.3 to 3.3 and I keep getting this error: http://pastie.org/595555.  Can someone please help?
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2009-08-26T12:56:56  <pumazi> angelawong: have you updated the versions line in your buildout?
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2009-08-26T13:02:06  <lukebrannon> hello, #weblion
2009-08-26T13:04:12  <angelawong> pumazi.  Yup!  extends = http://dist.plone.org/release/3.3/versions.cfg
2009-08-26T13:05:22  <pumazi> angelawong: have you tried deleting eggs/zc.buildout-*.egg
2009-08-26T13:05:54  <angelawong> pumazi:  No.  Should I?  Would this affect the other products that I have installed?
2009-08-26T13:06:30  <pumazi> angelawong: if you do that you will need to run bootstrap again
2009-08-26T13:06:53  <angelawong> pumazi:  Please excuse my ignorance but what is bootstrap?
2009-08-26T13:07:01  <pumazi> angelawong: but you may want to look at getting a more recent copy of the bootstrap.py file?
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2009-08-26T13:07:42  <pumazi> angelawong: are you using the unified installer or the pastescript plone3_buildout template??
2009-08-26T13:07:56  <angelawong> pumazi:  I am using the unified installer buildout.
2009-08-26T13:08:29  <pumazi> angelawong: aha, I'm unsure how the bootstrap process works in with the unified installer
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2009-08-26T13:09:15  <cah190> angelawong: Did you comment out or delete the old "extends = versions.cfg" line from your buildout.cfg?
2009-08-26T13:10:00  <angelawong> pumazi:  Yup!  I did comment it out: # extends = versions.cfg
2009-08-26T13:12:32  <pumazi> angelawong: upgrading the zc.buildout version should do the trick, the only problem is how to do it
2009-08-26T13:13:32  <cah190> That was my only guess, as I just managed a test site from 3.2.3 to 3.3 without any major incident.  The very first thing it did for me was upgrade zc.buildout to 1.2.1.
2009-08-26T13:13:48  <cah190> managed to upgrade a test site, that is
2009-08-26T13:14:11  <pumazi> cah190: how did you upgrade to that version?
2009-08-26T13:14:25  <angelawong> pumazi:  That is the one million dollar question . . . cah190:  How did you upgrade zc.buildout to 1.2.1?  I thought when I do a bin/buildout -n, it should pull in all the dependencies.
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2009-08-26T13:15:02  <pumazi> angelawong: bin/buildout doesn't pull in two things, setuptools and zc.buildout
2009-08-26T13:15:13  <cah190> I commented out "extends = versions.cfg" from [buildout] in buildout.cfg, then added "extends = http://dist.plone.org/release/3.3/versions.cfg" then ran bin/buildout -n
2009-08-26T13:15:34  <cah190> It definitely pulled them in for me.
2009-08-26T13:15:48  <cah190> I'm using the Unified Installer for Mac.
2009-08-26T13:16:27  <angelawong> cah190:  That was exactly what I did but I got this error: http://pastie.org/595555.  I am using the Unified Installer for Linux.
2009-08-26T13:16:53  <angelawong> cah190:  Do you think there could be a bug in the installer for Linux platforms?
2009-08-26T13:17:18  <cah190> Was there any other messages besides those when you ran buildout?
2009-08-26T13:17:35  <angelawong> cah190:  No, that was it.
2009-08-26T13:17:56  <cah190> Let me try upgrading a Linux instance and see what happens.
2009-08-26T13:21:30  <cah190> angelawong: It looks like my Unified Installer-based Linux instance is going to update successfully.  The first line of output when I run buildout -n is "Getting distribution for 'zc.buildout==1.2.1'."
2009-08-26T13:22:12  <cah190> I wonder if something else in your buildout, maybe some product, is asking for an older zc.buildout or something like that?
2009-08-26T13:23:35  <angelawong> cah190:  That statement never appeared for me.  Is it possible for me to upload the zc.buildout to my eggs/ folder manually?
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2009-08-26T13:26:34  <cah190> angelawong: I'm not sure.  I would guess something is still calling for the version you have now, otherwise it would have upgraded it.
2009-08-26T13:28:10  <angelawong> cah190:  You are right.  I comment out some products in my buildout and re-ran buildout.  I think it is working.  I will let you know when it is done.
2009-08-26T13:29:27  <cah190> Then it should just be a matter of tracking down which product is the problem by adding them back in one at a time.  Hopefully you can find an update for whichever one it is (or fix the setup.py in it yourself).
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2009-08-26T13:51:34  <angelawong> cah190:  My site came back up but for some reason when I tried to upgrade it through portal_migration (dry run mode), this showed up: http://pastie.org/595702  Is there an issue with the FSD product with the new version of Plone?
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2009-08-26T14:03:51  <cah190> angelawong: I just added FSD to my buildout on the upgraded site and everything seemed okay until I started up Plone and got an error about the skins folder being missing, so something seems to be up with FSD and Plone 3.3.  Let me investigate further.
2009-08-26T14:04:50  <angelawong> cah190:  Thanks so much!   I have to run off for a meeting.  Can I check back with you all later?
2009-08-26T14:04:55  <cewing> cah190, angelawong, I have not yet run into that problem with FSD and 3.3, but there are others.  Do not upgrade to 3.3 with current versions of FSD.  There are a few small problems that need fixing
2009-08-26T14:04:56  <cah190> Sure
2009-08-26T14:05:29  <angelawong> cewing:  Thanks so much for the warning.  I will check back with you all later.
2009-08-26T14:05:31  <cah190> I think the problem might be this 2.1.2 release.
2009-08-26T14:06:09  <cewing> cah190: your problem might, but the other problems I've seen are on 2.1.1.2 as well.  Changes in how getObjectPositionInParent works
2009-08-26T14:06:21  <cewing> I've got a start on a fix, but have not yet finished it.
2009-08-26T14:06:35  <cah190> cewing: Is there a ticket or anything with details?
2009-08-26T14:07:13  <cewing> cah190: I haven't opened one yet.  I should though.  Let me try to find a few minutes . . .
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2009-08-26T14:07:35  <guy_heckman> ErikRose: would I be able to get some of your time this week?
2009-08-26T14:08:36  <angelawong> cewing and cah190:  Thanks so much for all your help this afternoon.  I really appreciate it. :-)  I will check back with you all later concerning FSD.  Got to run!
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2009-08-26T14:17:15  <cah190> cewing: Is the problem you mentioned responsible for things like "TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for +: 'DelegatingIndexer' and 'int'"?
2009-08-26T14:17:24  <cewing> exactly
2009-08-26T14:18:01  <cah190> So much for not breaking things in Plone dot releases.  =)
2009-08-26T14:18:11  <cewing> if you've got a moment, can you open a ticket.  I can add notes, but I've got to get this dev instance up for my first hosting customer by end of the day today!
2009-08-26T14:18:43  <cewing> yeah, thanks wiggy!  (it was his own code that broke it, too.  So far as I've been able to tell)
2009-08-26T14:20:17  <cah190> I've also been dismayed at the changes in 3.2.3 that break Products.Remember self-registration.
2009-08-26T14:20:39  <cah190> I'll open a ticket on the FSD + Plone 3.3 issue.
2009-08-26T14:26:35  <SnarfBot> webliontickets: Ticket #1405 (Adding a member to a Department fails on Plone 3.3) created <https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/ticket/1405>
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2009-08-26T14:39:41  <cah190> Anyone have any thoughts on why you would sometimes get a partial broken copy of FSD 2.1.2 and other times a working copy?
2009-08-26T14:39:42  <SnarfBot> webliontickets: Changeset [8383]: there is no 'auto' for padding in css <https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/changeset/8383>
2009-08-26T14:41:01  <esteele> ErikRose__: Did you ever upload to plone.org?
2009-08-26T14:42:14  <cah190> Because when I tried upgrading an instance of Plone from 3.2.3 to 3.3, it pulled down a partial copy of FSD 2.1.2 that was missing the skins folder and some other stuff.  I also see that is the ultimate source of angelawong's problem using portal_migration in 3.3 as well: http://pastie.org/595702
2009-08-26T14:42:49  <cah190> Deleting the egg and tar.gz file then rerunning buildout yielded a full copy the second time around.  Very strange.
2009-08-26T14:43:37  <esteele> Yup. The missing skins folder was why I hadn't released it.
2009-08-26T14:43:48  <esteele> Kept getting the same thing in local tests.
2009-08-26T14:44:15  <SnarfBot> webliontickets: Ticket #1325 (Put schematuning on agsci's VM) closed <https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/ticket/1325#comment:1> | Ticket #1400 (Please install archetypes.schematuning on AgSci vmhost) closed <https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/ticket/1400#comment:1>
2009-08-26T14:44:48  <cah190> Huh, that's strange.  Everything else starting with 's' and after was also missing from the unpacked copy when I looked.
2009-08-26T14:45:10  <esteele> That sounds familiar.
2009-08-26T14:46:05  <cah190> Oddly getting it a second time fixed the problem, aside from the 3.3 issues adding persons to groupings.
2009-08-26T14:53:59  <SnarfBot> webliontickets: Changeset [8384]: fixed stuff... added ie6 and ie7 fixes for scl pages and tested css <https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/changeset/8384>
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2009-08-26T15:52:06  <ErikRose> RobZoneNet: Here's the direction we're thinking of going with ploneCustom.css: http://svn.plone.org/svn/plone/plonetheme.sunburst/trunk/plonetheme/sunburst/skins/plonetheme_sunburst_styles/ploneCustom.css.dtml
2009-08-26T15:52:45  <ErikRose> Limi's theme by default is pretty grey and so doesn't include any base properties, but you could still add them in any custom CSS you do, including in ploneCustom.css.
2009-08-26T15:52:46  <RobZoneNet> it is still using base_props. :)
2009-08-26T15:52:52  <ErikRose> I'm interested to hear your thoughts.
2009-08-26T15:53:12  <RobZoneNet> so isolating the css that uses base_props will make it faster?
2009-08-26T15:53:21  <ErikRose> Not that I know of
2009-08-26T15:53:35  <RobZoneNet> looks fine by me.. thats the only big change i see
2009-08-26T15:53:56  <ErikRose> No disasters?
2009-08-26T15:54:05  <RobZoneNet> i don't see any
2009-08-26T15:54:17  <ErikRose> Great!
2009-08-26T15:58:19  <rpruyne> camtasia is now available for mac: http://www.techsmith.com/camtasiamac/default.asp?cmp=cmrcs&emc=cmrcs
2009-08-26T16:02:55  <tsimkins> ErikRose:  Interesting observation in the Zenoss graphs... After we installed the schematuning, the "User" cpu time dropped dramatically, and the "System" cpu time increased signficantly!
2009-08-26T16:03:02  <tsimkins> Very snappy!
2009-08-26T16:03:26  <ErikRose> Ooo!
2009-08-26T16:03:34  <ErikRose> rpruyne: 10.6 includes screen recording :-)
2009-08-26T16:04:09  <ErikRose> Huh, that is interesting, tsimkins
2009-08-26T16:04:34  <tsimkins> How long do you think it will take until you can run 10.6 on a Hackintosh? ;-)
2009-08-26T16:04:44  <ErikRose> a week
2009-08-26T16:04:47  <rpruyne> yeah erikrose; i use it for my usability studies as well as snagging when I need to. it's great!
2009-08-26T16:05:22  <rpruyne> nice that's it's built in now, erikrose. : )
2009-08-26T16:06:21  <ErikRose> tsimkins: I wonder why the sys went up. Usually I suspect a bunch of ZEO<->Zope traffic when I see that, but there ain't any: https://weblion.psu.edu/zport/dmd/Devices/Server/Linux/WebLion%20Hosting/devices/agsci.psu.edu/os/interfaces/lo
2009-08-26T16:08:20  <tsimkins> I'm wondering if the parts that was being cached was all user cpu time (I'd assume this is the case) and this frees up the machine to do more system stuff.
2009-08-26T16:08:40  <ErikRose> Like what?
2009-08-26T16:09:12  <tsimkins> i.e. the cached stuff was calculations, but that being cached caused more throughput of requests, which resulted in more system calls.
2009-08-26T16:09:37  <ErikRose> Could be. Too bad the Squid graphs make Squid crash. :-)
2009-08-26T16:09:58  <ErikRose> WebLionHosting needs another week-long sprint.
2009-08-26T16:10:00  <tsimkins> True!  I have the logs, though.
2009-08-26T16:13:48  <paul_r> ErikRose: this schematuning thing looks interesting, any chance of a PUG presentation in the near future?
2009-08-26T16:14:12  <SnarfBot> webliontickets: Changeset [8386]: Make the viewlets reference the correct theme. <https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/changeset/8386>
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2009-08-26T16:23:23  <tsimkins> Is there a way to allow a person with a non-Manager role to add/edit collections?
2009-08-26T16:23:42  <tsimkins> Would that be a local role?
2009-08-26T16:26:17  <ErikRose> tsimkins: There's a dedicated permission for that. You can assign it locally to some new role you create, either globally or locally.
2009-08-26T16:27:06  <tsimkins> ErikRose:  Thanks... That's what I was thinking it was!
2009-08-26T16:28:13  <ErikRose> Or you can just give Editors the power to do it locally someplace.
2009-08-26T16:28:49  <ErikRose> Dang, your edit pages are still teh snappy!
2009-08-26T16:29:09  <tsimkins> Yeah!  Of course, no one's in there working, so we'll have to give it a load test tomorrow!
2009-08-26T16:31:36  <cewing> tsimkins, ErikRose, what version of plone are you using schematuning in?  I've been thinking of playing with that.
2009-08-26T16:31:50  <ErikRose> 3.1.5.1
2009-08-26T16:31:52  <tsimkins> cewing: We're on 3.1.5
2009-08-26T16:31:55  <tsimkins> .1
2009-08-26T16:32:05  <cewing> ooooooh.  Excellent!  I'm in 3.1.7
2009-08-26T16:32:21  * cewing has hope that he might be able to make his logged-in site run fast after all :)
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2009-08-26T16:34:32  <tsimkins> cewing:  I'm impressed so far!
2009-08-26T16:34:34  <esteele> Wasn't somebody here actually using that in production now?
2009-08-26T16:34:49  <tsimkins> Yeah, those Weblion folks ;-)
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2009-08-26T16:34:56  <ErikRose> And Chem
2009-08-26T16:35:01  <esteele> Ah. Right.
2009-08-26T16:35:13  <esteele> tsimkins: We don't count. We never edit our site.
2009-08-26T16:35:19  <SnarfBot> webliontickets: Changeset [8388]: postdocs <https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/changeset/8388>
2009-08-26T16:35:22  <cewing> esteele: :D
2009-08-26T16:35:40  <cewing> ErikRose: Chem is cah190, right?
2009-08-26T16:35:45  <ErikRose> jah
2009-08-26T16:35:52  <cewing> coolio.
2009-08-26T16:36:21  <cewing> if you all are okay with it, that should cut down the amount of time I feel like I have to stare at it before deciding its safe to put into production ;)
2009-08-26T16:38:18  <esteele> Ah, there it is.. "cah190: Unless I'm benchmarking wrong, edit views take half the time to render on my future production site with archetypes.schematuning installed.  No discernible improvement on normal views."
2009-08-26T16:38:48  <cewing> esteele: for some reason, I'd taken that to mean that he was benchmarking a dev server.  glad to hear it meant production :)
2009-08-26T16:39:16  <esteele> cewing: soon-to-be-production, I believe.
2009-08-26T16:39:45  <cewing> keen
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2009-08-26T16:50:35  <tsimkins> cewing:  I'll let you know if we see any issues with ours.  If I don't, check back with me in a few days and remind me!
2009-08-26T16:51:58  <cewing> tsimkins: will do.  I've been thinking that adding schematuner would be the last stage of my speed-up work.  Wow the critics with one last blast of editing speed, you know.
2009-08-26T16:52:22  <tsimkins> cewing:  We're not telling anybody on our side just yet...  I want to wait and see if anyone notices!
2009-08-26T16:52:56  <cewing> I know here they've noticed the slow . . .  I hear about it all the time
2009-08-26T16:53:00  <cewing> :(
2009-08-26T16:54:16  <tsimkins> Here's a graph of the CPU:  http://webtools.cas.psu.edu/tmp/cpu.png  The "After" starts at 2:30pm.
2009-08-26T16:54:39  <cewing> Wow!!
2009-08-26T16:54:44  <cewing> that's convincing :)
2009-08-26T16:56:41  <ErikRose_> Good stuff. :-)
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2009-08-26T17:00:41  <paul_r> any idea if this schematuning will work with Plone 2.5? I don't see anything on the PyPi page that says either way
2009-08-26T17:02:11  <ErikRose_> No idea. :-) I wouldn't be surprised if it worked.
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2009-08-26T17:03:12  <paul_r> well we might be finding out, Mike is intrigued
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2009-08-26T17:26:10  <mikehalm> cewing!
2009-08-26T17:26:38  <cewing> mikehalm!
2009-08-26T17:31:09  <mikehalm> ce
2009-08-26T17:31:25  <mikehalm> how is it going?
2009-08-26T17:31:50  <mikehalm> cewing: congrats on your hosting service!
2009-08-26T17:32:06  <mikehalm> cewing: you even have customers!
2009-08-26T17:34:36  <mikehalm> cewing: I see you are sprinting on FSD with UNAM, got any ideas what goals for the pwont are?
2009-08-26T17:34:45  <mikehalm> sprint
2009-08-26T17:36:11  <cewing> we'll be working on the start of the CV Manager thing.
2009-08-26T17:36:16  <cewing> mikehalm: ^^^
2009-08-26T17:36:29  <cewing> mikehalm: sorry, got to run.  Meeting with a provost re: hosting stuff
2009-08-26T17:36:37  <mikehalm> k
2009-08-26T17:36:44  <mikehalm> chat later
2009-08-26T17:37:00  <cewing> great.  Good to see you :)
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2009-08-26T17:55:23  <eprescott> anyone around?
2009-08-26T17:55:53  <eprescott> RobZoneNet you still in the building?
2009-08-26T17:56:03  <RobZoneNet> i am
2009-08-26T17:56:22  <eprescott> if you got a sec... i'm getting a buildout error..
2009-08-26T17:56:37  <eprescott>   Installing instance1.
2009-08-26T17:56:37  <eprescott> Error: There is a version conflict.
2009-08-26T17:56:37  <eprescott> We already have: plone.app.layout 1.1.5
2009-08-26T17:56:37  <eprescott> but Plone 3.3 requires 'plone.app.layout>=1.1.7dev-r23744'.
2009-08-26T17:57:20  <eprescott> even if I specify a version in the versions section of buildout I get that error.
2009-08-26T17:57:24  <eprescott> thoughts?
2009-08-26T17:57:50  <RobZoneNet> i don't know what to say. .I think eric s could help you though.
2009-08-26T17:58:09  <eprescott> ok i'll check with him tmro.  thanks.
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2009-08-26T21:18:50  <esteele> Awesome. So someone was stabbed across the street from the office last night?
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2009-08-26T21:52:25  <esteele> Yay, spam.
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2009-08-26T23:50:02  <eprescott_> evening all.
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