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2009-08-24T08:17:42  <cjohansen> Hi BradA
2009-08-24T08:19:59  <BradA> hi cjohansen, how are you doing this morning?
2009-08-24T08:20:43  <cjohansen> Doing well, thanks. How is the Behrend Web site progressing?
2009-08-24T08:23:27  <BradA> not too bad.  I'm currently rebuilding the production server to get it ready for the first few sections of the web site.  having a problem with links in the navigation sidebar, though.
2009-08-24T08:24:13  <cjohansen> there
2009-08-24T08:25:29  <cjohansen> [hit enter key by mistake] there's lots of developers here ready to help. do you have a URL where we can have a look?
2009-08-24T08:27:31  <BradA> it's on my local workstation which isn't open up to the world, but i will have  URL soon.  the issue that I'm seeing is that I can't find a way to make an internal link that will show up on the navigational sidebar.  I have to link to another portion of the completed side in the sidebar and the only way that I can find to do that is to provide complete URL (which I don't want to do incase it changes)
2009-08-24T08:29:03  <cjohansen> powerful OSS video authoring/etiding software. should we integrate into Zope/Plone? it's happening in other CMSs.
2009-08-24T08:29:25  <cjohansen> http://corp.kaltura.com/
2009-08-24T08:31:24  <cjohansen> kaltura marketing language is fishing for Plone integration. kaltura integration with MT4 is probably going to happen at Penn State
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2009-08-24T08:34:01  <pumazi> cjohansen: interesting, where did you see that they are looking for plone integration?
2009-08-24T08:34:14  <cjohansen> BradA: michaelmiller, Robzonenet are a good place to start with integration issues
2009-08-24T08:34:37  <cjohansen> they'll be in 10-11am
2009-08-24T08:35:14  <BradA> cjohansen: ok, thanks.  i'll check with them around 10-11
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2009-08-24T08:40:34  <cjohansen> cool, BradA
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2009-08-24T09:04:47  <tsimkins> BradA:  If I'm understanding your problem correctly, you're looking to have a link object in your navigation portlet?  You can put an absolute path (i.e. /foo/bar) in the link object, rather than the full URL (http://mysite.com/foo/bar).
2009-08-24T09:07:52  <tsimkins> However, this causes pathing issues if you're going to it via the Zope path (http://localhost:8080/Plone/foo/bar) versus what the final path will be (http://mysite.com/foo/bar).  We got around this by creating some "webdev(1, 2, 3, ...)" DNS names (or, if you're developing locally, using the /etc/hosts file) and redirecting via Apache the same way you would in production.
2009-08-24T09:08:36  <BradA> tsimkins: do you know of any way to add a link object using a method similar to the "internal link" feature inside of kupu?  i can add absolute paths with no problems, but I'm just thinking of the content managers now.
2009-08-24T09:10:18  <BradA> tsimkins: I already have a redirect created for the URL on the production server so that is not an issue right now.
2009-08-24T09:11:03  <tsimkins> BradA:  We looked into the same thing, and weren't able to figure out an elegant way to do it, so we just use the full URL.  If you use a relative path, you'll run into an issue where the Zope Acquisition presents multiple copies of the same page.
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2009-08-24T09:12:43  <BradA> tsimkins: hm, ok.  I will just use the full URL and jot down where these links are incase they cause problems in the future.  thankfully there are only two right now and they are on the same page.  :)   thanks for your help!
2009-08-24T09:14:06  <tsimkins> BradA: No problem!
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2009-08-24T10:15:18  <natea> cjohansen: i've already spoken with someone from Kaltura about making a Kaltura plugin for Plone.
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2009-08-24T11:20:48  <rwellar> hi all, i've gotten a request to create a discussion forum on our site... anyone have any experience with this? products to suggest?
2009-08-24T11:21:54  <ErikRose_> rwellar: Ploneboard ftw
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2009-08-24T11:22:32  <rwellar> ErikRose: nice... just added that egg to my buildout on dev
2009-08-24T11:22:39  <rwellar> thanks much
2009-08-24T11:22:45  <ErikRose_> Good choice. :-)
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2009-08-24T11:54:01  <tsimkins> ErikRose:  I saw the ticket for image rotation fly by.  If you're interested, we do a "different image on page load" on our sites that you're welcome to modify and/or steal:  https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/browser/agSciencesCollege/agCommon/skins/agcommon_custom_templates/getHomepageImage.py
2009-08-24T11:54:54  <tsimkins> It's a Python script masquerading as a .js, and it lists the images in a directory, and then barfs out a bit of JavaScript that picks an image randomly.
2009-08-24T11:55:02  <tsimkins> ErikRose_ ^^^ (forgot the _)
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2009-08-24T12:04:08  <natea> cjohansen: well, i haven't heard back from the person even after emailing them several times,
2009-08-24T12:04:13  <natea> so i'm not getting my hopes up.
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2009-08-24T13:51:10  <ErikRose_> RobZoneNet: Does that Bio theme you whipped up work with AD54Elements?
2009-08-24T13:51:31  <RobZoneNet> yes i did it with ad54elements in mind
2009-08-24T13:51:34  <ErikRose_> Woot.
2009-08-24T13:51:40  * ErikRose_ installs that.
2009-08-24T13:51:43  <ErikRose_> Thanks!
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2009-08-24T13:51:54  <RobZoneNet> no install.. just put in products folder
2009-08-24T13:51:58  <ErikRose> Right.
2009-08-24T13:52:12  <ErikRose> Should I use trunk?
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2009-08-24T13:52:56  <RobZoneNet> the last release is fresh... but the same as trunk I am pretty sure
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2009-08-24T13:53:17  <ErikRose> Right you are. Thanks again!
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2009-08-24T13:54:19  <ErikRose> Beautiful! It works so butter-smooth. THanks, RobZoneNet!
2009-08-24T13:54:25  <RobZoneNet> :)
2009-08-24T13:54:32  <RobZoneNet> anytime man
2009-08-24T13:54:37  <guy_heckman> Afternoon guys - back to the grind :-)
2009-08-24T13:55:09  <ErikRose> guy_heckman :-)
2009-08-24T13:55:51  <RobZoneNet> welcome back guy_heckman
2009-08-24T13:55:56  <guy_heckman> ErikRose - I'm seeing strangeness on WinXP machines authenticating against Plone
2009-08-24T13:56:07  <guy_heckman> Have you guys heard anything?
2009-08-24T13:56:07  <ErikRose> Your sites?
2009-08-24T13:56:20  <ErikRose> IE 8 is picky about certs. Have any weird ones?
2009-08-24T13:56:38  <guy_heckman> Just www - which is the only one not using CoSign
2009-08-24T13:56:50  <ErikRose> What are you using?
2009-08-24T13:57:08  <guy_heckman> nah the www cert is Thawte
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2009-08-24T13:57:52  <guy_heckman> Just started happening in isolated cases a little while ago - but seems to be picking up steam
2009-08-24T13:57:57  <ErikRose> Can you reproduce it?
2009-08-24T13:58:09  <ErikRose> Is there anything more to go on than "strangeness"?
2009-08-24T13:58:10  <guy_heckman> It appears to be across browsers on the same machine
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2009-08-24T13:59:07  <guy_heckman> the strangeness is that they appear to authenticate at login then lose that authentication as soon as they navigate to another page
2009-08-24T13:59:17  <ErikRose> Oh! You had this a year ago, didn't you?
2009-08-24T13:59:38  <ErikRose> Are you using Plone's built-in auth? Does it break only when you're doing that?
2009-08-24T13:59:50  <guy_heckman> i'm trying to remember - i can replicate on my local Win machine, doesn't happen in Mac
2009-08-24T13:59:57  <ErikRose> If so, perhaps your load balancing isn't doing session affinity (asuming you aren't putting sessions in ZEO).
2009-08-24T14:00:10  <guy_heckman> not load balancing
2009-08-24T14:00:31  <ErikRose> Hmm. Weird IE security zones stuff?
2009-08-24T14:00:51  <guy_heckman> happening in Firefox & Chrome too
2009-08-24T14:04:14  <SnarfBot> webliontickets: Changeset [8354]: Let's say "Penn State" all the time rather than sometimes saying "PSU". <https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/changeset/8354>
2009-08-24T14:04:19  <ErikRose> What if you bypass Squid?
2009-08-24T14:06:20  <guy_heckman> i'll try - but i nothing has changed on that front for months
2009-08-24T14:06:41  <ErikRose> I'm not blaming Squid; I'm blaming Windows' interaction with it.
2009-08-24T14:06:52  <ErikRose> And no, I don't have a plausible theory. :-)
2009-08-24T14:07:01  <ErikRose> Just binary debugging.
2009-08-24T14:07:25  <guy_heckman> let me try removing my rewrites, stick to non-ssl
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2009-08-24T14:15:55  <paul_r> neat firefox add-on: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5890   puts your tabs on the right side and does grouping with collapse.
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2009-08-24T14:31:46  <guy_heckman> i'm going to try bypassing squid tonight - see if that helps
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2009-08-24T14:32:55  <ErikRose> It might also be fun to watch the headers fly by, even now without bypassing squid.
2009-08-24T14:38:34  <stuttle> ErikRose: Jean recommended a product, Reflecto, that I think will work well for me with a few modifications. Could you spare an hour or so in the next few days to look it over with me to see if what I have in mind is reasonable?
2009-08-24T14:38:56  <ErikRose> I free up around Friday. Would that work?
2009-08-24T14:39:19  <guy_heckman> I'm going to head out - coming back in at midnight to troubleshoot.
2009-08-24T14:39:30  <stuttle> Yes, that would do. At the PUG?
2009-08-24T14:39:30  <guy_heckman> thanks for the suggestions Erik
2009-08-24T14:39:37  <ErikRose> stuttle: Sure, if that's convenient.
2009-08-24T14:40:54  <stuttle> That's fine. The reason I ask you is I want to customize how an uploaded file is named. I thought you had just played with that.
2009-08-24T14:41:32  <ErikRose> I have indeed. :-) Unfortunately, I couldn't get buy-in for that in Plone 4, though I did improve how Images are named.
2009-08-24T14:42:20  <stuttle> OK. Well I'll show you what I'm thinking on Friday.
2009-08-24T14:42:45  <ErikRose> Great.
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2009-08-24T14:46:59  <tsimkins> ErikRose: I'm starting a hunt for where Zope is using its CPU cycles on our box.  A ps -ef shows that the ZEO client has used up about 1:40 of CPU time out of the past hour and a half.  Or, around 66%.  The ZEO server process is negligible.
2009-08-24T14:47:15  <tsimkins> I looked at the Z2.log for the same period, and it looks like we're averaging 33 requests served by ZEO per minute (or around a request every two seconds.)  I'd think that this wouldn't be too taxing, but the load average is bouncing between 1 and 2.
2009-08-24T14:47:33  <ErikRose> tsimkins: I did want to make sure your ZEO cache just wasn't too small. That sometimes burns loopback I/O.
2009-08-24T14:47:45  <ErikRose> DAS had that problem awhile back when I forgot to remove a debug setting.
2009-08-24T14:47:48  <tsimkins> Is that in zeo.conf?
2009-08-24T14:48:00  <ErikRose> zope.conf, I think
2009-08-24T14:48:08  <ErikRose> You have a lot of sites in there and could probably use a bigger cache.
2009-08-24T14:48:11  <tsimkins> Let me check...
2009-08-24T14:48:42  <tsimkins> In our dev environment, I removed the z3c.jbot to rule that out (removed the entry from the browser/configure.zcml) and it didn't seem to make a performance difference in ab.  It was about 2 requests/second both ways.
2009-08-24T14:49:31  <tsimkins> ErikRose:  Looks like a zeo client cache size of 20MB.
2009-08-24T14:49:41  <ErikRose> We want the one measure in number of objects.
2009-08-24T14:49:45  <tsimkins> Seems a little small.  And 5000 objects.
2009-08-24T14:49:45  <ErikRose> measured
2009-08-24T14:50:03  <tsimkins> I'm assuming an object is a page, link, folder, etc.?
2009-08-24T14:50:04  <ErikRose> Let's change it to 20,000 and see what happens.
2009-08-24T14:50:05  <ErikRose> Yes
2009-08-24T14:50:29  <ErikRose> We must remember to change it back later.
2009-08-24T14:50:38  <ErikRose> (We can crank it up for all machines if it works.)
2009-08-24T14:50:58  <ErikRose> (This is my harebrained attempt at synergy :-))
2009-08-24T14:51:08  <tsimkins> Would changing the cache-size help at all?  20MB seems awfully small for a randomly accessed 2GB Data.fs
2009-08-24T14:54:00  <ErikRose> I can't recall exactly what that is.
2009-08-24T14:54:35  <tsimkins> load average is 11 at the moment...  I'll wait for it to settle.
2009-08-24T14:54:50  * ErikRose trusts most of that is iowait.
2009-08-24T14:55:03  <tsimkins> We've been getting a number of performance gripes over the past week.
2009-08-24T14:55:04  <ErikRose> If that's what's killing us, cache tuning could get us out of the woods.
2009-08-24T14:55:17  <ErikRose> I'm sorry I haven't had a lot of time to profile it.
2009-08-24T14:55:59  <tsimkins> Yeah, I tried to install the schema tuning on dev on Friday, and it bombed out on the install (tried both buildout and easy_install)
2009-08-24T14:56:08  <ErikRose> weird
2009-08-24T14:56:29  <ErikRose> Did you ticket that? I can install it if you like.
2009-08-24T14:57:06  <tsimkins> Does it have a lot of dependencies?  Buildout seemed to be bringing a bunch of stuff down with it.
2009-08-24T14:57:10  <ErikRose> zero
2009-08-24T14:57:15  <ErikRose> buildout's a piece of crap.
2009-08-24T14:57:17  <tsimkins> Weird!  I'll submit a ticket.
2009-08-24T14:57:55  <ErikRose> k
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2009-08-24T14:59:20  <tsimkins> ErikRose:  And that product was "archetypes.schematuning", right?
2009-08-24T14:59:24  <ErikRose> iirc
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2009-08-24T15:01:45  <tsimkins> ErikRose:  Yeah, it was bombing out trying to install "Markdown>=1.7"
2009-08-24T15:02:03  <ErikRose> wtf?
2009-08-24T15:02:17  <tsimkins> Exactly...
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2009-08-24T15:02:30  <ErikRose> All it depends on is Archetypes and memoize.
2009-08-24T15:02:38  <ErikRose> Which are in Plone to begin with
2009-08-24T15:03:59  <tsimkins> Weird... I just added it to my buildout.cfg eggs section and ran buildout (in dev)
2009-08-24T15:05:30  <ErikRose> I don't think either of those depend on Markdown, and if they did, they should already be in there.
2009-08-24T15:06:06  <ErikRose> The atheist and agnostic club is standing in front of the engineering quad today, not shouting. ;-)
2009-08-24T15:06:28  <ErikRose> They missed a great chance to hang a banner: "This silence brought to you by the atheist and agnostic club" ;-)
2009-08-24T15:07:18  <tsimkins> I had a YouTube video pulled because I used a few seconds of intro music.  I felt like redoing the video with a lead in of "This 10 seconds of silence brought to you by [whatever record company]"
2009-08-24T15:08:11  <ErikRose> heh :-)
2009-08-24T15:09:08  <RobZoneNet> lol
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2009-08-24T15:24:23  <tsimkins> ErikRose:  Also, didn't you say something once about caching images in Squid for logged in users?  I'm looking at the logs, and it's clearly not doing that.  It's pulling all the little .gif icons every time.
2009-08-24T15:24:35  <ErikRose> That's a VERY good thing to do.
2009-08-24T15:24:39  <ErikRose> Let's see what I do on weblion.
2009-08-24T15:25:16  <ErikRose> Once in awhile, somebody can get a stale one, but you can train them to reload.
2009-08-24T15:26:45  <ErikRose> tsimkins: Your settings are interesting: https://agsci.psu.edu/portal_cache_settings/with-caching-proxy/rules/downloads/
2009-08-24T15:28:15  <ErikRose> You actually might have a security hole there, since Squid can't check permissions before deliving a cached image.
2009-08-24T15:28:15  <tsimkins> Yeah, I was trying to see if that would help with performance.
2009-08-24T15:28:15  <ErikRose> I'd change your Header Set for Authed Users to Expression.
2009-08-24T15:28:15  <ErikRose> Can Anonymous not view most of your images?
2009-08-24T15:28:15  <tsimkins> That occurred to me, but I don't think we have too many sensitive images.
2009-08-24T15:28:25  <tsimkins> Is that identical to how you're handling images on Weblion?
2009-08-24T15:28:44  <ErikRose> Yes: both set to Expression and the expression yielding "cache in proxy 24 hours"
2009-08-24T15:28:59  <tsimkins> I'm looking in the logs, though, and it's repeated hitting Zope for spinner.gif
2009-08-24T15:29:06  <ErikRose> Yeah, that bites.
2009-08-24T15:29:16  <tsimkins> And the other little buttons.
2009-08-24T15:29:18  <ErikRose> Anything nonsensitive that's uncached is a problem we should solve.
2009-08-24T15:29:35  <ErikRose> Anything nonsensitive that's uncached isn't not a problem we shouldn't avoid solving.
2009-08-24T15:30:23  <tsimkins> Can we add specific UI gif files into a new rule?
2009-08-24T15:30:39  <ErikRose> Sure. But why isn't the existing rule catching them?
2009-08-24T15:30:42  <tsimkins> Or is there a simpler way?
2009-08-24T15:30:46  <ErikRose> Probably.
2009-08-24T15:31:10  <ErikRose> Are they proper content, or are they ++resources++ or something?
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2009-08-24T15:31:42  <tsimkins> Apparently just proper content...  Let me check the header.
2009-08-24T15:32:54  <tsimkins> Is it just me, or does the new version of Firebug for FF 3.5 suck big time?
2009-08-24T15:36:11  <ErikRose> I use WebKit's inspector
2009-08-24T15:36:17  <ErikRose> I've heard a lot of complaint, though.
2009-08-24T15:37:29  <tsimkins> ErikRose:  Yeah, for some reason the icon gifs for the logged in version are not being cached in Squid.
2009-08-24T15:37:39  <ErikRose> Can you toss me a URL?
2009-08-24T15:37:55  <tsimkins> https://ento.psu.edu/folder_icon.gif is an example.
2009-08-24T15:38:31  <ErikRose> That's cached for me.
2009-08-24T15:38:40  <ErikRose> X-Header-Set-Id	cache-in-browser-24-hours
2009-08-24T15:38:58  <ErikRose> And cache-in-browser implies cache-in-proxy.
2009-08-24T15:41:44  <tsimkins> How interesting...  I see that if I go directly there.  Let me check again when I load a page.
2009-08-24T15:42:09  <ErikRose> Be sure to load the page twice: the second time by hitting Return in the addy bar.
2009-08-24T15:42:36  <ErikRose> 10.6 changes the gamma to 2.2. This should be interesting.
2009-08-24T15:44:51  <tsimkins> Re: 10.6, I saw that...  I don't own an Intel Mac, so I won't get the pleasure of trying it!
2009-08-24T15:45:06  <ErikRose> I'm looking forward to 3- and 4-finger gestures on my old MacBook.
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2009-08-24T15:46:24  <tsimkins> Aha...  Going to the page hits Squid, but hitting enter in the address bar does not.  Presumably that's pulling from browser cache, then.  But all those gifs took around 9-14 seconds (not ms) to load according to Firebug.
2009-08-24T15:46:42  <ErikRose> URL?
2009-08-24T15:46:49  <tsimkins> https://ento.psu.edu/about
2009-08-24T15:48:11  <ErikRose> Looks to me like the only slug is the page itself. It takes 7 seconds, and then the rest comes down almost all cached.
2009-08-24T15:49:34  <ErikRose> Another thing you can do is cache your containers even for authd users for a minute or two.
2009-08-24T15:49:46  <ErikRose> It's judgment calls as to whether you can stand it.
2009-08-24T15:49:52  <ErikRose> a judgment call
2009-08-24T15:49:54  * ErikRose cannot type today.
2009-08-24T15:50:19  <tsimkins> That may be pushing it...
2009-08-24T15:53:15  <tsimkins> ErikRose:  If you run this command:             grep \.gif /var/log/zope2.10/plone-site/Z2.log | awk '{print $7 " " $4}'  | sort
2009-08-24T15:53:39  <tsimkins> on our vmhost, does that data look strange to you?  Especially on the cropsoil site?
2009-08-24T15:54:47  <ErikRose> What's with all this webdev7.agsci.psu.edu?
2009-08-24T15:55:17  <ErikRose> And yes. Things like image_icon.gif are served way too often.
2009-08-24T15:55:23  <tsimkins> That's our dev site for the turf site.
2009-08-24T15:55:31  <tsimkins> Yeah, that's what I'm trying to figure out, too.
2009-08-24T15:56:05  <ErikRose> Nobody's sitting in a corner hitting Reload, are they? ;-)
2009-08-24T15:56:46  <tsimkins> Maybe those RedDot fans... Trying to make Plone be slow!
2009-08-24T15:57:00  <tsimkins> Let me see where those are coming from, if it's anything unusual.
2009-08-24T15:57:10  <ErikRose> Funny, though: your site leaks slower than any other.
2009-08-24T15:57:13  <ErikRose> You're doing something right.
2009-08-24T15:58:46  <tsimkins> That would be the first thing we're doing right!
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2009-08-24T16:02:09  <tsimkins> This is odd...  I'm looking at a set of six calls to Zope for the same .gif in a one minute period.  I traced them back to Squid, and the Squid logs show a "TCP_REFRESH_HIT/304" for those same calls.
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2009-08-24T16:03:28  <tsimkins> They're all from a Mac in our building, too.
2009-08-24T16:04:05  <ErikRose> Is turning cache off in Firefox enough to do that?
2009-08-24T16:04:21  <ErikRose> We can intercept the Pragma: no-caches that come in if necessary.
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2009-08-24T16:04:50  <tsimkins> Aha, like if we were to disable the web developer toolbar?  Let me check...
2009-08-24T16:05:11  <ErikRose> Well, disable caching *using* the web dev toolbar, yes.
2009-08-24T16:05:12  * tsimkins is leaving words out today.
2009-08-24T16:05:16  <ErikRose> Me too. :-)
2009-08-24T16:05:17  <tsimkins> Yes, that.
2009-08-24T16:05:33  <ErikRose> Your ZEO traffic doesn't look too high.
2009-08-24T16:05:47  <ErikRose> DAS was pushing like 1MB/s.
2009-08-24T16:05:53  <ErikRose> Alarms went off.
2009-08-24T16:06:29  <ErikRose> It really looks like honest CPU time, if I can believe the iowait graph in Zenoss.
2009-08-24T16:06:38  <ErikRose> I think we're on the right track.
2009-08-24T16:06:39  <tsimkins> Yeah, that's my gut feeling, too.
2009-08-24T16:12:41  <tsimkins> ErikRose:  Turning off cache via developer toolbar does not cause it to act like a refresh.
2009-08-24T16:12:47  <ErikRose> Thank goodness.
2009-08-24T16:20:05  <tsimkins> ErikRose:  I'm running another pass to make sure, but it appears that the page loads much quicker with the cache disabled (i.e. getting a 200 from Squid) than it does with the cache on (getting a 304).
2009-08-24T16:20:44  <ErikRose> Wait, when are you getting 304s?
2009-08-24T16:20:54  <ErikRose> Of course it would; 304 means it had to hit Zope to confirm it hadn't changed.
2009-08-24T16:22:14  <tsimkins> Right, but I don't see that in the Z2.log
2009-08-24T16:22:28  <tsimkins> Yeah, that was my thought, but I'm getting a 200 for the page, and 304s for the icons.
2009-08-24T16:22:54  <ErikRose> Odd. I can really dig into this Wednesday.
2009-08-24T16:23:38  <tsimkins> Yeah, we can take a look at it after the load balancing.  I'll keep digging on my side.
2009-08-24T16:25:09  <ErikRose> If the caching really isn't working right, you may not need LB as much as you think you do. :-)
2009-08-24T16:25:34  <tsimkins> True...  But it would really blow peoples' minds if Plone was fast!
2009-08-24T16:25:44  <ErikRose> Sorry, it isn't. :-)
2009-08-24T16:25:55  <ErikRose> heh
2009-08-24T16:26:42  <tsimkins> That's what I have to keep telling people.  Part of our issue is whatever the weirdness is, and part of it is unrealistic expectations (it should be as fast as Dreamweaver!)
2009-08-24T16:27:42  <ErikRose> It'd be nice to use sprites for all those toolbar buttons.
2009-08-24T16:28:24  <tsimkins> I read an article about that awhile back, and it seemed like a neat idea.
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2009-08-24T16:44:14  <eprescott> i'm free any time
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