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2009-08-12T08:47:22  <cah190> I just noticed a strange UI glitch in FSD.  When you change schema in edit view, the selected tab changes from Edit to View.  Is that a side effect of supporting Plone 2.5?
2009-08-12T08:48:16  <cah190> schema -> schemata
2009-08-12T08:48:41  <esteele> cah190: I believe it's an error in the prev/next layout that I've never fixed in plone core.
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2009-08-12T08:49:42  <cah190> Ah, makes sense.  Having created something like 80 objects in an FSD in the past 24 hours, I'm starting to notice things.  =)
2009-08-12T08:50:31  <esteele> cah190: Sure. Feel free to ticket/fix as you find them. ;)
2009-08-12T08:50:51  <cah190> Will do.
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2009-08-12T08:54:29  <esteele> jjmojojjmojo: Are you involved with the zopeskel sprint I saw mentioned by any chance?
2009-08-12T08:59:03  <SnarfBot> webliontickets: Ticket #1363 (Changing schemata while editing Person objects causes View tab to be ...) created <https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/ticket/1363>
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2009-08-12T09:15:12  <lynnp08> Hi michaelmiller....do you have any time today to help me with a view template?
2009-08-12T09:15:43  <michaelmiller> sure lynnp08
2009-08-12T09:16:04  <lynnp08> What time is good for you?
2009-08-12T09:16:58  <michaelmiller> how about 11?
2009-08-12T09:18:42  <lynnp08> That sounds good.  I'll be down.
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2009-08-12T09:43:02  <krd111> ErikRose: hosting question...will we be able to allow our visitors to upload Word files to the server?  We have an online staff-award-nomination process, and the award administrators want people to be able to submit award letters online.
2009-08-12T09:44:27  <cah190> krd111: If he will let you install PloneFormGen, that's definitely possible.
2009-08-12T09:45:42  <krd111> cah190: OK, thanks.  We already have PloneFormGen installed.
2009-08-12T09:46:12  <cah190> I believe you just add a File Field to your form and it will allow files to be uploaded.
2009-08-12T09:46:38  <krd111> cah190: sounds easy enough -- thank you!
2009-08-12T09:47:03  <cah190> Normally I think it just emails the file, rather than keeping it on the server, so if it needs to stay on the server you may have to look into custom script adapters.
2009-08-12T09:50:19  <esteele> I believe there's an adapter out there that saves to the server. Don't recall the name though.
2009-08-12T09:51:08  <krd111> I don't see why we would need it to save to the server -- I think it would be fine if it were automatically emailed to the person.
2009-08-12T09:51:10  <paul_r> I know there is an option that saves form input to a CSV type format, not sure what it does with uploaded files
2009-08-12T09:51:39  <cah190> Yeah, the included Save Data Adapter can do csv/tsv files, but I don't think it worked with files when I tried it a while back.
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2009-08-12T10:24:31  <ErikRose> Indeed the CSV adapter doesn't save upload files.
2009-08-12T10:35:05  <paul_r> anyone have a successful captcha system working with Plone 2.5 and PloneFormGen?
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2009-08-12T11:10:04  <paul_r> I installed PFG 1.5 and am chasing down a permissions error in the configlet. relevant code and traceback here: http://pastie.org/581394   The error I get on every tab of the configlet is on line 62 of the traceback... can anyone point me in the right direction of where to debug next?
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2009-08-12T12:01:39  <tsimkins> ErikRose:  Have you gone to lunch yet?  We're having some issues on the agsci.vmhost
2009-08-12T12:01:55  <ErikRose> I have not.
2009-08-12T12:01:58  <ErikRose> What's going on?
2009-08-12T12:02:42  <tsimkins> Zope wasn't responding, so I restarted the zeo client and server, and it's still not responding.
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2009-08-12T12:03:08  <tsimkins> I get a prompt when I telnet to the client port, but I can't get any response with a GET / HTTP/1.1
2009-08-12T12:03:28  <tsimkins> python isn't using any CPU, either.
2009-08-12T12:03:56  <tsimkins> zeoserver port is responding, too.
2009-08-12T12:04:47  <tsimkins> No entries are being written to the event.log after the restart.
2009-08-12T12:05:26  <ErikRose> Interesting. Let me take a look.
2009-08-12T12:05:36  <ErikRose> I can tell I have to get front page monitoring working again.
2009-08-12T12:06:34  <tsimkins> ErikRose:  I can cc you on the nagios alerts ;-)
2009-08-12T12:06:52  <ErikRose> That's alright. :-)
2009-08-12T12:06:59  <tsimkins> Adequate disk space (that's bitten me before, but we have 16GB free)
2009-08-12T12:07:00  <ErikRose> I get to blame you for all this since you have root. ;-)
2009-08-12T12:07:38  <lynnp08> michaelmiller:  Can I put that new view template we made for my colloquia listing in my product's template folder rather than in my custom folder?
2009-08-12T12:07:55  <tsimkins> ErikRose:  That's fine, I'm used to it!
2009-08-12T12:08:00  <ErikRose> heh
2009-08-12T12:08:07  <michaelmiller> absolutely, that's a good idea
2009-08-12T12:08:20  <tsimkins> Nothing in syslog except for Squid errors from not being able to talk to Zope.
2009-08-12T12:08:23  <ErikRose> I started up Zope in the fg, and the front page loaded.
2009-08-12T12:09:08  <michaelmiller> lynnp08: I was thinking, you may want to test that on pages with both talkeventtype and regular plone event types
2009-08-12T12:09:18  <tsimkins> Yep, I see that works...
2009-08-12T12:09:23  <michaelmiller> as long as it doesn't cause errors, and I don't think it should
2009-08-12T12:09:39  <michaelmiller> you may want to use it for more collections
2009-08-12T12:10:36  <tsimkins> ErikRose:  Seeing any errors?  Is it worth trying to start in client mode?
2009-08-12T12:10:45  <michaelmiller> but then, if that's the only collection with talk event types, then it's unnecessary
2009-08-12T12:11:31  <ErikRose> tsimkins: The only interesting thing I see is one IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/lib/zope2.10/instance/plone-site/Products/agCommon/skins/agcommon_custom_templates/global_cache_settings.pt'
2009-08-12T12:12:39  <ErikRose> I think that's just an on-startup error, though.
2009-08-12T12:12:40  <tsimkins> ErikRose:  That doesn't surprise me.  I zapped the customized version awhile back, when we were fixing the Squid issues.  I'll just have to track down which site it is.
2009-08-12T12:13:34  <tsimkins> ErikRose:  Can you Ctrl-C that, and I'll see if I can start it in production mode?
2009-08-12T12:14:07  <tsimkins> Or if you want to start it in production mode.
2009-08-12T12:14:15  <ErikRose> Are your robots.txt files sane for all site? I was noticing the other day that you have big CPU and I/O spikes at regular times of day.
2009-08-12T12:14:23  <ErikRose> I'll try running it in the bg.
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2009-08-12T12:14:43  <tsimkins> ErikRose:  Yep, that's part of the product.  I think I copied the Weblion one, with a few additions.
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2009-08-12T12:15:09  <ErikRose> I didn't know we had a robots.txt in our product. That's nice.
2009-08-12T12:15:20  <tsimkins> Our product ;-)
2009-08-12T12:15:36  <ErikRose> ah
2009-08-12T12:17:33  <tsimkins> ErikRose:  Looks like it's back in business in bg mode.
2009-08-12T12:17:43  <ErikRose> And you had tried restarting it?
2009-08-12T12:17:45  <tsimkins> Not sure what happened, but we'll keep an eye on it!
2009-08-12T12:17:57  <ErikRose> Hrrm.
2009-08-12T12:18:01  <ErikRose> I hate mysterious problems.
2009-08-12T12:18:14  <cmore> maybe it was the 3rd time charm....
2009-08-12T12:18:34  <ErikRose> I notice hostname -f says "agsci.vmhost". That's unusual but not necessarily a problem.
2009-08-12T12:18:45  <ErikRose> agsci.vmhost.psu.edu, specifically
2009-08-12T12:19:06  <tsimkins> Yep, I'd done the dzhandle restart, the /etc/init.d, and even stopped it and verified we didn't have any python processes hanging out.
2009-08-12T12:19:15  <tsimkins> What should it say?
2009-08-12T12:19:32  <tsimkins> I have to run and pick up my wife... I'll check back in an hour!
2009-08-12T12:19:35  <ErikRose> Typically it would say agsci.psu.edu, but I don't see why it should matter.
2009-08-12T12:20:09  <tsimkins> I'd rather have the agsci.vmhost, myself, since we have a bunch of hosts, and agsci.psu.edu is just one of them.  Less confusing that way!
2009-08-12T12:20:17  <ErikRose> Right
2009-08-12T12:20:33  <ErikRose> I notice most of your hostnames aren't in /etc/hosts.
2009-08-12T12:20:47  <ErikRose> Those should be in there; i'll stick them in.
2009-08-12T12:22:16  <ErikRose> Maybe I won't.
2009-08-12T12:22:27  <ErikRose> I put agsci.psu.edu in there, at least.
2009-08-12T12:23:56  <lynnp08> michaelmiller:  I just noticed that the new view we made for the colloquia listing doesn't have the date of each item now like the other view did?  weird.  I might need your help again with that, but it can probably wait until Friday.
2009-08-12T12:24:43  <michaelmiller> odd, and if you switch the view back to what it was originally?
2009-08-12T12:25:23  <lynnp08> Then I lose the speaker institution that we added.
2009-08-12T12:25:36  <lynnp08> But the date is there.
2009-08-12T12:28:10  <michaelmiller> could you paste or mail me the template code to look?
2009-08-12T12:28:18  <michaelmiller> or if you have in svn that'd be easier
2009-08-12T12:29:40  <lynnp08> I'll check it into svn.  hang on
2009-08-12T12:31:45  <SnarfBot> webliontickets: Changeset [8200]: Updating the changes text. <https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/changeset/8200>
2009-08-12T12:32:39  <ErikRose> Big ol' shooting star show tonight if you can see around the clouds and moon
2009-08-12T12:32:49  <ErikRose> Everything should be shooting toward Perseus.
2009-08-12T12:33:42  <lynnp08> michaelmiller:  wait, that file didn't have .pt on the end.  Let me fix that first and see what it does
2009-08-12T12:34:07  <michaelmiller> ok
2009-08-12T12:34:08  <SnarfBot> webliontickets: Changeset [8201]: Tagging version 0.1a2. <https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/changeset/8201>
2009-08-12T12:34:10  <ErikRose> (South-southeast in the sky around here at about midnight)
2009-08-12T12:35:16  <lynnp08> just the one in my local folder didn't have .pt.
2009-08-12T12:35:17  <SnarfBot> webliontickets: Changeset [8202]: added a custom view to display current colloquia with speaker institution <https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/changeset/8202>
2009-08-12T12:36:42  <SnarfBot> webliontickets: Changeset [8203]: Typical release modification. <https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/changeset/8203>
2009-08-12T12:39:12  <michaelmiller> lynnp08: the template is only showing the dates if it's of type event
2009-08-12T12:39:39  <michaelmiller> you'll need to add talkEventType (check if that's correct name) to the condition
2009-08-12T12:41:15  <michaelmiller> line 109 in the template is what you'll want to modify
2009-08-12T12:47:35  <SnarfBot> webliontickets: Changeset [8204]: Version bump. Changed manifest includes. <https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/changeset/8204>
2009-08-12T12:49:52  <SnarfBot> webliontickets: Changeset [8205]: Tagging 0.1a3. Messed up the last tag (aka brow bagged release) because ... <https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/changeset/8205>
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2009-08-12T12:52:13  <SnarfBot> webliontickets: Changeset [8206]: Forgot to change the changes text. <https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/changeset/8206>
2009-08-12T12:54:39  <SnarfBot> webliontickets: Changeset [8207]: Removing the dev marker from the tag and correcting my commit mistake. <https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/changeset/8207>
2009-08-12T12:58:38  <lynnp08> michaelmiller:  Thanks!
2009-08-12T12:58:53  <michaelmiller> np    working then?
2009-08-12T12:59:51  <lynnp08> not yet, just saw your message.  Trying it now.
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2009-08-12T13:16:44  <lynnp08> ok, now it's showing all the stuff, date, room, etc.  I just want the start date on this.  It's ok, we can modify later.
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2009-08-12T13:20:23  <cthomas> hi all
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2009-08-12T13:21:15  <cthomas> has anyone looked into or seen any issues with Cosign V3 upgrade?
2009-08-12T13:22:19  <cah190> It was a straightforward upgrade for the most part.  V3 finally builds really easily on Red Hat.
2009-08-12T13:22:50  <cah190> The only slightly tricky part was adding an exception to the proxying rules for our site to handle the /cosign/valid URL that is required for V3.
2009-08-12T13:23:31  <lynnp08> michaelmiller:  think I found where to take out the location and end date.  I'm trying it now.  Hopefully I didn't hose it.
2009-08-12T13:23:48  <michaelmiller> lynnp08: yeah, just strip out the end date stuff
2009-08-12T13:24:43  <michaelmiller> don't forget to delete the 'from' and 'to' bits as well!
2009-08-12T13:28:57  <lynnp08> Yep, I got it, although now I want it to be on a separate line and styled a bit different.  I'm working with the class now.  Yea!
2009-08-12T13:29:42  <michaelmiller> cool, nice work!
2009-08-12T13:35:26  <SnarfBot> webliontickets: Changeset [8208]: Cleaned up the formatting for the specialty_tabular and specialty views <https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/changeset/8208>
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2009-08-12T13:48:47  <lynnp08> michaelmiller:  yea, I got it exactly how I want it now.
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2009-08-12T13:54:13  <ErikRose> jdeluca: Did you ever get CoSign 3 working?
2009-08-12T13:54:25  <jdeluca> bahhh
2009-08-12T13:54:31  <jdeluca> not on that one machine
2009-08-12T13:54:33  <ErikRose> That good, eh?
2009-08-12T13:54:54  <jdeluca> I got a CA cert rolled for it, but haven't gotten back to testing that
2009-08-12T13:56:05  <jdeluca> ErikRose: have you successfully updated?
2009-08-12T13:56:15  <ErikRose> My package builds, but I have yet to test it.
2009-08-12T13:56:38  <tsimkins> So I'm assuming hosting isn't going to v3 in the near future?
2009-08-12T13:56:52  <ErikRose> tsimkins: Give me a month or so, I'd guess.
2009-08-12T13:56:56  <jdeluca> well, remember now, I did get 2 of my 3 servers working :-)
2009-08-12T13:57:08  <jdeluca> I'm batting .666
2009-08-12T13:57:21  <tsimkins> The mark of the beast...
2009-08-12T13:57:26  <jdeluca> hehe
2009-08-12T13:57:43  <cah190> Are they delaying the switchover further?  Because last I heard anything less than v3 is going to break on the 18th.
2009-08-12T13:58:00  <paul_r> that's the last message I saw
2009-08-12T13:58:23  <tsimkins> cah190:  As far as I can tell from their page, v2 will work, but you have to get your FQDN, CosignService name and SSL Cert CN the same.
2009-08-12T13:58:38  <jdeluca> cah190: my understanding is that you can continue to use v2
2009-08-12T13:58:39  <tsimkins> http://aset.its.psu.edu/docs/webaccess/cosignv3-upgrade.html
2009-08-12T14:00:45  <cah190> That certainly does indicate v2 filters will continue working.  Thanks for pointing that out.  That definitely contradicts the info I got a few months ago when they were starting to plan the migration.
2009-08-12T14:01:12  <ErikRose> Yes, I even got a mail from somebody explicitly saying v2 has no planned sunset here.
2009-08-12T14:01:37  <tsimkins> cah190:  Yeah, the v3 conversation here made me go back and check to make sure I had understood it correctly!
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2009-08-12T14:43:42  <angelawong> Hi all!  I have a question about the FacultyStaffDirectory.  I have added a new field called "prefix" for titles such as (Dr., Mr., etc).  Thanks EricRose for your talk about the IOrderableSchemaExtender . . . very cool.  Everything is working great.  The question I have now is that at the moment when I look at the breadcrumbs, I see the name and the suffix of the person.  How do I tag on the prefix to the name so that it will also show
2009-08-12T14:44:21  <ErikRose> Replace the Title method with one of your own devising.
2009-08-12T14:44:28  <ErikRose> Glad you found it useful! :-)
2009-08-12T14:45:06  <angelawong> ErikRose: Er, where is the title method?
2009-08-12T14:45:21  <ErikRose> On Person
2009-08-12T14:45:32  <ErikRose> You'll have to monkeypatch it on.
2009-08-12T14:46:18  <angelawong> ErikRose: You mean I replace it in person.py in my Extender product?
2009-08-12T14:46:39  <ErikRose> Hmm, no.
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2009-08-12T14:46:59  <ErikRose> You'll need some understanding of Python classes and methods.
2009-08-12T14:48:52  <angelawong> ErikRose;  Unfortunately, I am still very  new with Python.  Do you have any documentation I could maybe read up concerning this, especially where this title method is in FacultyStaffDirectory and how to manipulate it?
2009-08-12T14:49:05  <ErikRose> I do not at the moment, unfortunately.
2009-08-12T14:49:18  <ErikRose> You might Google up "Python monkeypatching" though.
2009-08-12T14:49:40  <angelawong> ErikRose:  I will give it a go.  Thanks!
2009-08-12T14:49:44  <ErikRose> np!
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2009-08-12T14:53:40  <cah190> Where all does a Plone product need to declare dependencies on other products?
2009-08-12T14:53:51  <ErikRose> setup.py, if the others are eggs
2009-08-12T14:54:08  <ErikRose> And in the installation stuff (either GS or in your PYthon routine)
2009-08-12T14:55:53  <cah190> Thanks, ErikRose!
2009-08-12T14:56:05  <ErikRose> That's all I can think of atm. :-)
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2009-08-12T15:07:08  <cah190> Any good examples of using GS to register dependencies?
2009-08-12T15:07:20  <ErikRose_> *crickets*
2009-08-12T15:11:02  <esteele> cah190: It'd be in metadata.xml
2009-08-12T15:11:31  <cah190> That's what I read, but it seems to just ignore the dependencies I put there.
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2009-08-12T15:34:42  <krd111> ErikRose_ or anyone else: I have been dutifully changing ownership of things owned by non-existent users, going down the list in the zmi.  I don't recall which item I last changed ownership of, but at some point I stopped being able to change any ownership of anything (somewhere in the P's).  I get an insufficient privileges error.  Any ideas?
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2009-08-12T15:49:54  <cah190> Is there something you need to do beyond restarting Plone to get it to recognize changes to GS profile stuff like metadata.xml?  Because the dependencies I added to metadata.xml that weren't working now work just fine in a fresh install of Plone.
2009-08-12T15:50:59  <ErikRose_> krd111: There's a Take Ownership privilege someplace (portal root?). Do you have it?
2009-08-12T15:51:15  <ErikRose_> cah190: Did you up the version of the GS profile?
2009-08-12T15:51:44  <cah190> Apparently not, where is that stored?
2009-08-12T15:52:04  <ErikRose_> In metadata.xml: <version>1.6.0</version>
2009-08-12T15:52:15  <ErikRose_> That's the profile version, not the product version. Frequently confused.
2009-08-12T15:52:35  <ErikRose_> I like to use an int so it doesn't look a thing like a product version.
2009-08-12T15:59:20  <cah190> Are you sure?  When I change that value it changes the version that displays next to my product in the Add-on Products installer and still doesn't seem to make Plone heed the depencies.
2009-08-12T15:59:27  <cah190> dependencies even
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2009-08-12T16:01:42  <krd111> ErikRose_: do you mean I will find the Take Ownership privilege in the root-level ZMI?  Or am I supposed to see a folder called portal root in my ZMI? I don't see such a thing.
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2009-08-12T16:07:41  <cah190> Is there somewhere in the ZMI that I can see what version Zope/Plone thinks my GS profile is?
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2009-08-12T16:14:30  <ErikRose> cah190: In portal_setup someplace, I would assume, but I'm not sure.
2009-08-12T16:15:42  <ErikRose> krd111: In the Security tab at the Plone site-level in the ZMI, there's a Take Ownership role. Try assigning that to Manager.
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2009-08-12T16:19:49  <krd111> ErikRose: thanks, I found it, and it is letting me take ownership now.  It is not, however, letting me assign ownership to my boss.  I am also not able to get to my site-setup area.  I'm about to head off to a meeting, but I'll revisit in in the morning.  thanks.
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2009-08-12T16:32:31  <cah190> Huh, apparently one dependency for my product (DataGridField) is always working and being installed correctly, but apparently my other dependency (FacultyStaffDirectory) only installs correctly once per fresh Plone install.
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2009-08-12T16:33:06  <ErikRose> cah190: And you're depending on them both in the same way?
2009-08-12T16:33:11  <cah190> Yup
2009-08-12T16:33:56  <cah190> On a fresh Plone install I can install my extender product and it will bring in FSD and DGF just fine, but if I uninstall the products and just try installing my extender it blows up because I guess GS things FSD is already installed.
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2009-08-12T16:34:22  <ErikRose> If GS thinks that, shouldn't it just not reinstall FSD?
2009-08-12T16:34:58  <cah190> it doesn't, but then my setup step to register the extender fails because it expects FSD to be fully installed
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2009-08-12T16:35:30  <ErikRose> Oh, I missed that you uninstalled all the products.
2009-08-12T16:35:30  <cah190> so either I'm depending on FSD wrong somehow or something is getting left behind that makes GS think it's always installed
2009-08-12T16:35:45  <ErikRose> This is why I don't like GS's statefulness.
2009-08-12T16:36:09  <cah190> Well, at least my dependencies work once.  =)
2009-08-12T16:36:12  <cah190> That's progres
2009-08-12T16:36:14  <cah190> s.
2009-08-12T16:37:37  <cah190> And it turns out that if your product doesn't have a version.txt the version in metadata.xml is used as the product version, fyi.
2009-08-12T16:37:57  <cah190> Which added to my earlier confusion over profile version versus product version.
2009-08-12T16:39:16  <ErikRose> That's nasty.
2009-08-12T16:40:56  <cah190> I guess my next step is to make a GS snapshot of a fresh plone install, then install my product + dependencies, uninstall product + dependencies, take another snapshot and compare.  Ugh.
2009-08-12T16:41:23  <cah190> Maybe I'll save that for tomorrow.  Thanks for all the help ErikRose!
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2009-08-12T16:41:43  <ErikRose> Ugh indeed. Enjoy! ;-)
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