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2009-08-05T08:23:30  <KurtB> :7)
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2009-08-05T11:13:44  <esteele> This is a fun little programming exercise. python
2009-08-05T11:13:59  <esteele> http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Nerds,-Jocks,-and-Lockers.aspx
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2009-08-05T11:26:27  <michaelmiller_> rpruyne: could you refresh my memory on something?
2009-08-05T11:26:56  <rpruyne> michaelmiller, what might that be
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2009-08-05T11:27:58  <michaelmiller_> irc, you modified a template for a portlet that displayed events...
2009-08-05T11:28:18  <michaelmiller_> is that right?
2009-08-05T11:28:21  <rpruyne> yeah, that's right; a few different modifications.
2009-08-05T11:28:34  <michaelmiller_> is that in svn?
2009-08-05T11:29:18  <rpruyne> you'll find it in the dairyAnimalScience section of the repository in the directory /das/. there are a couple of different mods. are you looking for anything in particular?
2009-08-05T11:29:22  <michaelmiller_> If I remember it was putting the proper dates on
2009-08-05T11:29:44  <rpruyne> oh, yes; that's right.
2009-08-05T11:30:11  <michaelmiller_> the ces dept, needs a custom template on a portlet and we're not sure what we're doing wrong
2009-08-05T11:30:22  <rpruyne> i'll take a look at what i have and point you to the right template, michaelmiller.
2009-08-05T11:30:25  <michaelmiller_> I was thinking you did something similar
2009-08-05T11:30:37  <michaelmiller_> thanks very much rpruyne !
2009-08-05T11:31:15  <rpruyne> yeah, it was an events portlet, and the default displayed the publishing date of the event, which was stupid. so i made it show the beginning - ending dates.
2009-08-05T11:41:27  <michaelmiller_> rpruyne: did you ever put it in a product or leave in zmi?
2009-08-05T11:42:33  <rpruyne> michaelmiller, i was in the process of rolling it into a product, but we switched to the agCommon product. so for the time being i'm keeping it in the zmi.
2009-08-05T11:42:57  <rpruyne> i'm going to make sure the most recent version is in svn. stand by...
2009-08-05T11:43:04  <michaelmiller_> ah, ok...thanks
2009-08-05T11:48:20  <rpruyne> michaelmiller, here you go: https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/browser/dairyAnimalScience/das/zope.interface.interface-collection.pt
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2009-08-05T12:00:30  <michaelmiller_> thank you kindly, rpruyne :)
2009-08-05T12:00:49  <rpruyne> de nada, michaelmiller!
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2009-08-05T12:19:56  <lukebrannon> morning #weblion (or should I say afternoon?)
2009-08-05T12:28:30  <lukebrannon> with supervisor, is it best to have the memmon script monitor everything running in total, or is it better to set up individual scripts for each instance/part in the stack?
2009-08-05T12:32:15  <SnarfBot> webliontickets: Changeset [8160]: moving more to trunk <https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/changeset/8160>
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2009-08-05T12:55:35  <ErikRose_> RobZoneNet_: http://code.google.com/apis/ajaxsearch/documentation/reference.html
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2009-08-05T13:46:06  <michaelmiller_> cthomas: if you update the empty portlets product it now works with random
2009-08-05T13:47:00  <michaelmiller_> btw it has also moved to : https://weblion.psu.edu/svn/weblion/weblion/EmptyPortlets/trunk/
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2009-08-05T14:16:33  <eprescott> If I drop a promo_view.pt   (view of the front page when selected from display dropdown)  into <product...>/skins/<product>_custom_templates/       Do I need to add it anywhere so that it can be used?
2009-08-05T14:16:57  <eprescott> add it to a   ?.zcml or should it just be picked up?
2009-08-05T14:18:26  <eprescott> it was working in my   portal_skins/custom folder but now in   /skins/?_custom_templates/  seems to be missing from the plone display dropdown.  any one have any thoughts?
2009-08-05T14:18:28  <SnarfBot> webliontickets: Changeset [8166]: Changed the name. <https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/changeset/8166>
2009-08-05T14:20:41  <RobZoneNet_> eprescott: you may have to put it in portal_types
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2009-08-05T14:35:31  <eprescott> RobZoneNet_: can i add it there in the product or just by hand within plone.
2009-08-05T14:37:33  <RobZoneNet_> up to you.. but pretty easy to put in your product
2009-08-05T14:38:33  <eprescott> that is what I am trying to do.. I took what we had out of the custom folder. I had thought you said to put in .../skins/<productname>_custom_template but it's not being picked up.
2009-08-05T14:39:18  <eprescott> either that or I munged things when I moved everything to the trunk dir. but not sure how that would have been effected
2009-08-05T14:41:06  <RobZoneNet_> eprescott: yes put it in the skins/**_template folder
2009-08-05T14:41:43  <RobZoneNet_> but then we have to tell portal_types it is going to be added to the document type
2009-08-05T14:42:14  <eprescott> yep that is the part I was missing.
2009-08-05T14:43:32  <RobZoneNet_> let me find you a sample one
2009-08-05T14:43:35  <eprescott> and still looking for the what do I do to tell portal_types to add it.
2009-08-05T14:43:37  <eprescott> thanks
2009-08-05T14:46:27  <RobZoneNet_> do you use skype eprescott ?
2009-08-05T14:46:43  <eprescott> yep hold on.
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2009-08-05T14:48:09  <RobZoneNet_> ok
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2009-08-05T15:06:57  <kevin7kal> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/mr.developer looks interesting
2009-08-05T15:09:06  <paul_r|mtg> mhmm... that cartoon was me yesterday... except it was "catalog rebuild"
2009-08-05T15:09:24  <SnarfBot> webliontickets: Changeset [8167]: views <https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/changeset/8167>
2009-08-05T15:11:48  <angelawong> RobZoneNet__: If you are free, I have a question for you.  In the past you have helped me to create a print_view using <span tal:replace="structure context/CookedBody">[Text]</span> to capture the body content.  This works perfectly on a normal page.  However, when I try to print a page with a folder_view, it gives me the following error message: http://pastie.org/572961  Any advice would be most appreciated.
2009-08-05T15:13:16  <ErikRose_> kevin7kal: Yep, that's what we use for Plone 4.x PLIP development.
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2009-08-05T15:32:15  <ErikRose_> RobZoneNet_: Should be done here in about 10 minutes.
2009-08-05T15:32:23  <ErikRose_> Want to resume then?
2009-08-05T15:34:23  <esteele> paul_r|mtg: Rebuild? I thought I told you to update. ;)
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2009-08-05T15:35:23  <paul_r> esteele: I tried the update... it ran and ran, for well over 30 minutes
2009-08-05T15:35:38  <paul_r> so I canceled it and tryied a "clear and rebuild"
2009-08-05T15:35:44  <esteele> Wow.
2009-08-05T15:35:50  <paul_r> that ran for over 40 minutes and I left it running when I went home
2009-08-05T15:35:56  <paul_r> my SSL tunnel timed out and it stopped
2009-08-05T15:36:14  <esteele> paul_r: Just FYI, c/r is the much riskier option.
2009-08-05T15:36:17  <paul_r> I went in and created a new folder and copied all the contents over this morning and it's working
2009-08-05T15:36:26  <paul_r> ah ok... good to know
2009-08-05T15:36:45  <paul_r> should I be concerned that both are taking that long and not finishing?
2009-08-05T15:37:47  <esteele> paul_r: Not really, you're crawling every object in the site and your site has got a lot of objects.
2009-08-05T15:38:10  <esteele> It may be a case of changing the transaction threshold.
2009-08-05T15:38:17  <paul_r> ok, should I try and let it run until it completes though?
2009-08-05T15:38:26  <esteele> Definitely.
2009-08-05T15:38:48  <esteele> Though if things are working now, it's not worth bothering.
2009-08-05T15:39:26  <paul_r> ok, then maybe I will leave well enough alone until someone complains
2009-08-05T15:39:29  <paul_r> thanx
2009-08-05T15:43:52  <RobZoneNet_> ErikRose_:  sure
2009-08-05T15:45:29  <esteele> Question for the integrator-types here. How irksome will it be to you to lose the global template variables? There's a list of what is potentially going away (and what replaces them) here: http://dev.plone.org/plone/browser/Plone/branches/4.0/docs/BACKWARDS_COMPATIBILITY.txt#L125
2009-08-05T15:46:00  <RobZoneNet_> angelawong: it would work if you had a default page for a folder...
2009-08-05T15:47:17  <RobZoneNet_> esteele: if it speeds it up.. cool
2009-08-05T15:47:41  <RobZoneNet_> angelawong: but you want to print a book right?
2009-08-05T15:47:51  <esteele> RobZoneNet_: Yes, that's the reasoning.
2009-08-05T15:49:03  <RobZoneNet_> angelawong: i think jdeluca had a product he made for that or a proceedure
2009-08-05T15:49:55  <angelawong> RobZoneNet_: Hey there!  Yes. A default page for a folder would certainly work.  However, is there a way to print folder contents without having a default page?
2009-08-05T15:54:32  <RobZoneNet_> like a book?
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2009-08-05T15:56:11  <RobZoneNet_> angelawong: look at this https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/browser/liberalArtsOnline/Products.outreachtheme/Products/outreachtheme/skins/Products_outreachtheme_custom_templates/print_view.pt then look at https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/browser/liberalArtsOnline/Products.outreachtheme/Products/outreachtheme/skins/Products_outreachtheme_custom_templates/getAllPages.py
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2009-08-05T15:58:35  <angelawong> RobZoneNet_: No.  On our intranet, we have normal pages and folder listings.  We want to give people two ways to print.  One is with text and navigational buttons, etc and the other just text only.  I hope to create a print_view to take care of the latter.
2009-08-05T15:59:29  <RobZoneNet_> why do you need nav buttons?
2009-08-05T15:59:48  <jdeluca> angelawong: I have this little product (that RobZoneNet_ mentioned) that will allow you to print all the documents within a folder.
2009-08-05T16:00:30  <angelawong> RobZoneNet_:  Some of our folks here actually like to print what they see . . . go figure? (sigh)
2009-08-05T16:00:37  <jdeluca> it recursively goes through the folder and pulls out all the documents and displays them as text only ... i.e.  printer-firendly
2009-08-05T16:01:01  <jdeluca> angelawong: you can see it here: https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/browser/worldCampus/PrinterFriendlyFolders
2009-08-05T16:01:36  <jdeluca> it's not totally polished, but if you want to implement and have any questions, just say hey
2009-08-05T16:02:22  <angelawong> jdeluca:  Thanks.  Am I right to assume that this is a classic product that I place in the products folder?
2009-08-05T16:02:26  <RobZoneNet_> angelawong: you could make a view... that overrides the left and right portlets... and just shows what is in the content
2009-08-05T16:03:06  <RobZoneNet_> http://localhost:8080/MYSITE/folder_summary_view
2009-08-05T16:03:18  <RobZoneNet_> you could put the view at the end of the url for the print
2009-08-05T16:05:53  <RobZoneNet_> angelawong: https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/browser/weblion/Products.ContentWellPortlets/trunk/Products/ContentWellPortlets/browser/templates/manageportletsabove.pt if you look at line 15-17 and 77-79 they get rid of the right and left portlets
2009-08-05T16:06:04  <paul_r> esteele: RE integrator questions, don' t know if I have enough experience to have a real opinion but there are alternatives (all be them ugly) for everything that you are taking away, so speed improvement would be a good thing.
2009-08-05T16:06:07  <jdeluca> angelawong: yes - you're correct on that
2009-08-05T16:06:37  <jdeluca> I typically pull stuff that I develop in through svn using the infrae.subversion recipe
2009-08-05T16:06:49  <jdeluca> that just works for me for managing my stuff
2009-08-05T16:06:59  <angelawong> RobZoneNet_:  That is exactly what I am trying to do.  I have http://localhost:8080/MYSITE/print_view that is working for normal pages but not with folder listing.
2009-08-05T16:07:05  <esteele> paul_r: Thanks.
2009-08-05T16:07:13  <jdeluca> putting it in the Products will also do the trick
2009-08-05T16:07:33  <RobZoneNet_> angelawong: so you can take whatever view you are going for..  say it is normally folder_summary_view and you want to srtip them off.. you then make print_folder_summary_view
2009-08-05T16:07:53  <RobZoneNet_> and tack that to the end of whatever url you are at... boom :)
2009-08-05T16:08:42  <angelawong> Thanks jdeluca!  I am going to try it out
2009-08-05T16:08:45  <RobZoneNet_> so you copy "folder_summary_view" and rename it  "print_folder_summry_view" and add those 2 things
2009-08-05T16:09:02  <jdeluca> ok - happy to help if you have any questions
2009-08-05T16:09:11  <RobZoneNet_> jdeluca's thing is nice for printing out a bunch of pages.. I love it
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2009-08-05T16:11:33  <angelawong> RobZoneNet: I was trying to make "Print this point" to a url/print_view, hoping that print_view would cover all kinds of content_type.  Would the codes you gave me apply to only folder listings or all content_types?
2009-08-05T16:13:01  <RobZoneNet_> angelawong: there are many kinds of views... folder views, page views for examples. They are not the same
2009-08-05T16:14:26  <RobZoneNet_> i don't know why people need navigations for a print page.. I mean they can't click it, it takes up space. But you may want to consider some sort of python that changes the css class names according to which one they click
2009-08-05T16:14:57  <RobZoneNet_> if you look in print.css things are "turned off"  but are still really there
2009-08-05T16:17:42  <angelawong> RobZoneNet_:  Actually I got both formats to work (one with navigational buttons and the other without) but I am just having problems with folder listings.  It is retrieving the folder listing that is the problem.
2009-08-05T16:18:58  <RobZoneNet_> so you want a summary of what is in the folder?
2009-08-05T16:19:24  <RobZoneNet_> or what the "default page" is showing
2009-08-05T16:20:01  <angelawong> RobZoneNet_: I want a summary of what is in the folder.
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2009-08-05T16:21:04  <RobZoneNet_> so if you put on the end of your url "folder_summary_view" you get what you want?
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2009-08-05T16:24:34  <angelawong> RobZoneNet_: This is my print_view: http://pastie.org/573099.  These are my errors: http://pastie.org/573096 when I try to print a folder listing.
2009-08-05T16:25:10  <RobZoneNet_> there is no cookedBody in a folder
2009-08-05T16:26:05  <RobZoneNet_> the folder is pretty much a search result
2009-08-05T16:31:33  <RobZoneNet_> angelawong: there might be an easier fix now that I am thinking about it
2009-08-05T16:32:23  <RobZoneNet_> if you go in your zmi and go to portal_css
2009-08-05T16:33:04  <RobZoneNet_> you will see print.css.. it is there during the print media
2009-08-05T16:33:37  <RobZoneNet_> if you put a condition on it.. you might be able to have it show up sometimes and sometimes not ;)
2009-08-05T16:33:58  <RobZoneNet_> i bet that is the easiest way to have it work for you
2009-08-05T16:35:23  <angelawong> RobZoneNet:  Wow!  That makes sense.  What kind of condition would you suggest?
2009-08-05T16:36:10  <RobZoneNet_> i don't know.. :) maybe some property you set for the user?
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2009-08-05T16:37:35  <RobZoneNet_> or some property they click.. so you can have no print.css show up for the full page
2009-08-05T16:38:32  <tsimkins_> RobZoneNet_, angelawong:  Not to jump into this discussion too late, but is there a reason that you're not just using the media type on the CSS stylesheet?
2009-08-05T16:39:26  <RobZoneNet_> something like that would work. So do you spoof it if you want the full fledge page tsimkins_?
2009-08-05T16:40:13  <tsimkins_> You mean, if someone wants to print the page exactly as it looks on screen?
2009-08-05T16:40:21  <RobZoneNet_> yep
2009-08-05T16:40:33  <RobZoneNet_> i think that is what she is going after
2009-08-05T16:41:30  <tsimkins_> We were trying to come up with reasons why someone would want that (other than, "Hey, look at my pretty website design")  angelawong, what's your reasoning behind wanting to print the website as-is?
2009-08-05T16:42:42  <angelawong> RobZoneNet_: I have already got the print everything on the page to work.  All I had to do is to change the media that says "screen", I made it "all" and it allows me to print the entire page with all the the thrills and frills.
2009-08-05T16:43:08  <RobZoneNet_> cool
2009-08-05T16:43:16  <tsimkins_> In our case, we said that the web view and print view were two distinct items, and if someone REALLY wanted to have a print out of the website (usually an internal person) they could take a screenshot.  We couldn't come up with a good use case for an external person wanting all the navigation and widgets.
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2009-08-05T16:43:45  <angelawong> tsimkins:  That is the problem.  Some of our folks like to print the page what they see.  That is why I am trying to create to ways of printing.  Yes.  I totally agree with you about using a screenshot but a lot of peopel don
2009-08-05T16:44:19  <RobZoneNet_> maybe put a condition on them... and have it switch to the print one if the condition is met.. keeping all instead of screen... only problem is mobile ;)
2009-08-05T16:44:51  <angelawong> tsimkins: Oops.  I accidently hit the return button.  To continue . . . some folks don't know how to do screenshots.  It is getting really ridiculous what they would like me to do.  It makes no sense.
2009-08-05T16:45:29  <esteele> Have your IT group send out a cost-cutting memo asking people to use less ink by printing out simple pages instead of using fancy graphics. ;)
2009-08-05T16:45:44  <RobZoneNet_> :)
2009-08-05T16:45:45  <tsimkins_> angelawong:  But what's their rationale for wanting it (other than "I want it")?
2009-08-05T16:46:07  <tsimkins_> esteele: Having HP/Lexmark/Canon stock would be a good use case!
2009-08-05T16:46:09  <angelawong> RobZoneNet:  Thanks.  I will see if I can work around it.  Or even better, get people to have a default page for folders.  I think it looks neater that way anyway.
2009-08-05T16:46:13  <RobZoneNet_> maybe show them how to take screenshots :)
2009-08-05T16:47:42  <tsimkins_> angelawong:  I've always tried to ask "why" before I ask "how", in cases like these.  There may be some need they're trying to meet that they perceive the "as-is" page meets, but if you dig for what they actually do need, you might be able to come up with a better solution.
2009-08-05T16:50:25  <angelawong> tsimkins:  I wish I knew that their rationale is.  I was told that some people will freak out if and when they print out pages, they do not see what they get.  It sounds so ridiculous, doesn't it?  On a more serious note, we do have some clients when they want to make changes to the site, they like to print out the web pages with navigational buttons and make corrections on the page before they bring it to us.  We serve a state agency t
2009-08-05T16:51:24  <angelawong> RobZoneNet_:  Yeah, teaching them to make screenshots would certainly make a lot of sense! :-)
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2009-08-05T16:52:57  <RobZoneNet_> angelawong: get them to put the pixlr extension on firefox :)
2009-08-05T16:53:10  <RobZoneNet_> http://www.pixlr.com/
2009-08-05T16:53:24  <RobZoneNet_> they could have a photoshopy thing right in firefox ;)
2009-08-05T16:53:46  <tsimkins_> angelawong:  That's a PEBKAC issue, then ;-)  The printing out to use as a canvas on which to make corrections is a legitimate reason, but that still is enough of an edge case that a screenshot seems appropriate.
2009-08-05T16:54:25  <angelawong> RobZoneNet:  AWESOME!  Folks will have no excuse then!
2009-08-05T16:54:40  <RobZoneNet_> they can edit it right there
2009-08-05T16:54:51  <tsimkins_> RobZoneNet_:  That's really cool!  I'll have to check that out tomorrow.
2009-08-05T16:55:16  <angelawong> tsimkins_:  I totally concur!!!!  LOL.  I will see if I can convince them to take a screenshot route.
2009-08-05T16:56:16  <RobZoneNet_> :)
2009-08-05T16:56:49  <angelawong> RobZoneNet_ and tsimkins_:  You guys are awesome!  Thank you so much for taking time to chat with me.  I have certainly learned a great deal -- what can be done and what cannot be done.  Thanks so much!!!! :-)
2009-08-05T16:57:11  <RobZoneNet_> your welcome angelawong
2009-08-05T16:57:17  <tsimkins_> angelawong:  Sometimes it just takes some selling, and explaining the benefits from their point of view.  And explaining that you're not doing something because you don't want to, but because it's not "right" for your customers.
2009-08-05T16:57:27  <tsimkins_> Good luck, angelawong!
2009-08-05T16:57:38  <angelawong> Cheers guys!  Thanks!
2009-08-05T16:57:39  * tsimkins_ goes off to run and meet my carpool.
2009-08-05T16:58:03  <RobZoneNet_> see you later tsimkins_
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