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2008-10-27T09:55:03  <esteele> pumazi: This might be useful to look at... http://plone.org/products/editskin-switcher/releases/0.7
2008-10-27T09:55:44  <pumazi> esteele: i'll look into it, i'm looking into collective.sectionsubskin atm
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2008-10-27T10:12:39  <RobZoneNet> limi said someone got plone to run on python 2.6
2008-10-27T10:12:50  <RobZoneNet> on his twitter
2008-10-27T10:19:12  <pumazi> esteele: it's got a file in it called 'monkeypatches.py'
2008-10-27T10:19:29  <pumazi> esteele: that doesn't exactly make me confident about the product
2008-10-27T10:19:30  <esteele> Ah, fun stuff.
2008-10-27T10:19:33  <esteele> Right.
2008-10-27T10:19:34  <pumazi> :P
2008-10-27T10:19:53  <esteele> I've been forced to do it myself once or twice though. ;)
2008-10-27T10:20:51  <catherine-w> So I am writing a template that calls a macro in another template that in turn calls another macro... all is working fine in the browser window, but I am getting some odd output in my Terminal window
2008-10-27T10:20:56  <RobZoneNet> how 'bout those lions
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2008-10-27T10:21:53  <RobZoneNet> want me to take a look catherine-w
2008-10-27T10:22:09  <catherine-w> Lovely -- I will just post it at paste.plone
2008-10-27T10:23:00  <catherine-w> RobZoneNet: http://paste.plone.org/24613
2008-10-27T10:23:33  <catherine-w> coreevent_view is the template containing the macros and movie_view is the one calling them
2008-10-27T10:23:54  <RobZoneNet> gah! http://www.centredaily.com/news/local/story/924192.html
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2008-10-27T10:25:08  <RobZoneNet> i thought they were beyond this stuff now
2008-10-27T10:25:45  <RobZoneNet> catherine-w: thats what is in your terminal?
2008-10-27T10:25:53  <catherine-w> yeah, fun, eh?
2008-10-27T10:25:57  <RobZoneNet> looks like brains
2008-10-27T10:26:14  <catherine-w> what, at this time on a Monday? hehe
2008-10-27T10:26:20  <RobZoneNet> lol
2008-10-27T10:26:28  <RobZoneNet> zombies are friday right?
2008-10-27T10:26:31  <esteele> Looks like a python rendering of a macro.
2008-10-27T10:26:43  <catherine-w> So why would that be spat out?
2008-10-27T10:27:16  <RobZoneNet> anyway you can put your page templates on paste?
2008-10-27T10:27:17  <esteele> Not sure. Is there any error/warning/debug message before it?
2008-10-27T10:27:30  <catherine-w> No error message before it (not sure where it starts, even)
2008-10-27T10:27:42  <catherine-w> Will post templates now
2008-10-27T10:28:16  <catherine-w> Template containing the macros: http://paste.plone.org/24614
2008-10-27T10:29:03  <catherine-w> Template calling the macros, on rendering which the stuff is spat into the terminal: http://paste.plone.org/24615
2008-10-27T10:29:33  <esteele> Could you pare that down to see which calls are causing that?
2008-10-27T10:29:50  <catherine-w> OK, hang on
2008-10-27T10:30:37  <RobZoneNet> this wouldn't be causing your  problem but line 44 has an extra >> on the 24615 paste
2008-10-27T10:31:16  <catherine-w> Good catch
2008-10-27T10:31:37  <catherine-w> Hadn't got that far yet
2008-10-27T10:36:37  <SnarfBot> webliontickets: Changeset [5526]: backing up most recent changes to ecosstyles/kristenstyles.css.dtml <https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/changeset/5526>
2008-10-27T10:37:45  <catherine-w> OK - now this is really weird. I chopped out 90% of the template. I am running in fg mode, and I have checked that the version in the ZMI portal skins matches my chopped down template (it does). I have checked that my view is the one assigned to the object (it is). And yet...
2008-10-27T10:38:11  <catherine-w> The template is rendering as if I had chopped nothing out, and I am still getting the error messages
2008-10-27T10:38:30  <catherine-w> The only macro call still in there is this one <tal:eventaddtocalendar metal:use-macro="context/coreevent_view/macros/addtocalendar" />
2008-10-27T10:38:37  <catherine-w> Lemme chop it out and see what happens
2008-10-27T10:39:21  <catherine-w> OK - it's out, and all is rendering as expected
2008-10-27T10:40:00  <catherine-w> It's back in, and the verbose output gallops into the terminal window
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2008-10-27T10:40:20  <catherine-w> And interestingly, the browser is rendering what rendered last time, not what I expect to happen
2008-10-27T10:40:49  <catherine-w> So there's something wrong somewhere!
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2008-10-27T10:41:37  <esteele> And if you remove the content of the eventaddtocalendar macro?
2008-10-27T10:41:46  * catherine-w checks
2008-10-27T10:42:47  <catherine-w> Um - I replaced the content of the macro with the word "test
2008-10-27T10:43:07  <catherine-w> But the word "test" does not appear on the page, and the verbose output is spat into the window
2008-10-27T10:44:11  <catherine-w> ah, hang on, I think I have worked it out
2008-10-27T10:44:26  <ErikRose> rpruyne: Great news about your hosting server1
2008-10-27T10:44:41  <ErikRose> rpruyne: I can meet as early as this afternoon if you like.
2008-10-27T10:44:58  <catherine-w> esteele, RobZoneNet Interesting! I made a typo in my macro call, and that was the result
2008-10-27T10:45:09  <catherine-w> Thanks for the help
2008-10-27T10:45:11  <RobZoneNet> so easy to do
2008-10-27T10:45:20  <rpruyne> erikrose, that's awesome. let me check my calendar...
2008-10-27T10:45:33  <catherine-w> Well, I looked and looked before posting on here, but I didn't spot it. Monday mornings... eyes blurry....
2008-10-27T10:45:41  <esteele> Ah, right. No "addeventtocalendar"
2008-10-27T10:45:49  <catherine-w> yep
2008-10-27T10:46:17  <catherine-w> Very odd effect though
2008-10-27T10:46:34  <catherine-w> I will make a note of that one...
2008-10-27T10:46:55  <catherine-w> It basically stops obeying the template and just renders what it rendered last time. Not an error message
2008-10-27T10:48:10  <rpruyne> erikrose, i've got a couple of meetings this afternoon, but tomorrow after 11 is clear sailing. what's tomorrow like for you?
2008-10-27T10:48:33  <ErikRose> rpruyne: Tomorrow's good after 1.
2008-10-27T10:49:02  <rpruyne> that works for me, erikrose. shall i stop down around then?
2008-10-27T10:49:36  <ErikRose> sure thang
2008-10-27T10:49:40  <ErikRose> look forward to it
2008-10-27T10:49:52  <rpruyne> most excellent!
2008-10-27T10:49:57  <catherine-w> The ghosts of templates past....
2008-10-27T10:59:27  <ErikRose> Has anybody had contact with Kristen Devlin? She wants to know whether WebSlinger is useful for her migration, but IHNI.
2008-10-27T11:02:25  <ErikRose> *&#$&#$
2008-10-27T11:02:27  * ErikRose has to use Word.
2008-10-27T11:02:37  * ErikRose has to spend an hour turning all this *&#$ off.
2008-10-27T11:03:08  <catherine-w> ErikRose - not recently
2008-10-27T11:03:37  <ErikRose> I've never even seen her site.
2008-10-27T11:03:48  <catherine-w> ErikRose: I think that query may have arisen out of something that cjohansen told her a while ago.
2008-10-27T11:03:56  <ErikRose> It did.
2008-10-27T11:03:58  <RobZoneNet> kevin made webslinger
2008-10-27T11:04:02  <catherine-w> Ah
2008-10-27T11:05:33  * esteele is glad he spent that time putting links into the conference report... :(
2008-10-27T11:05:41  <ErikRose> Wha happen?
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2008-10-27T11:05:57  <ErikRose> Ah, krd111, just the person I wanted to see.
2008-10-27T11:06:36  <esteele> ErikRose: They're not in cjohansen's post.
2008-10-27T11:06:57  <ErikRose> Where's his post?
2008-10-27T11:06:58  <krd111> Hi -- I'd like to rename some of the folders in my Faculty/Staff Directory (for example, I'd like to rename Specialties to something like Administrative Area), but I don't want to screw anything up...is it OK to rename these folders?
2008-10-27T11:07:09  <ErikRose> krd111: Go for it.
2008-10-27T11:07:30  <esteele> And it looks like he's missing Rob's bit.
2008-10-27T11:07:36  <krd111> ErikRose: thanks -- did you want to talk with me about the WebSlinger issue?
2008-10-27T11:07:41  <esteele> https://staff.tlt.psu.edu/node/5813
2008-10-27T11:07:41  <RobZoneNet> heh
2008-10-27T11:07:58  <ErikRose> Huh. It's not listed at https://staff.tlt.psu.edu/feeds/staff, for whatever reason.
2008-10-27T11:08:32  <RobZoneNet> wonder why he chopped mine off
2008-10-27T11:08:53  <ErikRose> And the ULs aren't formatted.
2008-10-27T11:09:09  <ErikRose> Aren't we supposed to be web people?
2008-10-27T11:09:30  * esteele sticks out a big, sarcastic thumbs-up.
2008-10-27T11:09:31  <ErikRose> Also, the tags are done wrong.
2008-10-27T11:09:34  * catherine-w has found an instance where plone.reload doesn't work.... changing the widget visibility via schema['blah'].widget.visible="{'edit':'invisible', 'view':'invisible'}
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2008-10-27T11:11:22  <pumazi> it doesn't work with decorated ( @decor ) code either
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2008-10-27T11:12:54  <ErikRose> *&^# Word.
2008-10-27T11:12:56  <catherine-w> Ah well, we can't have it all... it's still good for some things
2008-10-27T11:13:12  <catherine-w> ErikRose: +1, but I think you forgot an ! and a @
2008-10-27T11:13:22  <RobZoneNet> lol
2008-10-27T11:13:25  <ErikRose> Blame Word's autocorrecting.
2008-10-27T11:13:43  <catherine-w> Yeah, Word thinks we are all morons.
2008-10-27T11:14:25  <pumazi> it's because of my generation, we can't spell ;)
2008-10-27T11:14:44  <catherine-w> pumazi: well, jolly well learn then :D
2008-10-27T11:14:47  <ErikRose> Whereas I hold the converse of Word's opinion.
2008-10-27T11:15:26  <ErikRose> Well, perhaps not converse…nm
2008-10-27T11:16:42  <catherine-w> I hate Word's bullets and tables: "oh no, you can't possibly want to do that, so we'll do this instead and make you spend 10 minutes trying to sort it all out if you really, really want to do it that way"
2008-10-27T11:16:53  <ErikRose> krd111: I'd actually like to have Kevin meet with you, since he wrote WebSlinger.
2008-10-27T11:16:56  <RobZoneNet> kupu is no better
2008-10-27T11:17:20  <ErikRose> krd111: I can help you with the old-page-serving stuff if you like.
2008-10-27T11:17:21  <rpruyne> it's a microsoft kind of morning
2008-10-27T11:17:36  <catherine-w> rpruyne: sorry to hear that
2008-10-27T11:17:42  <ErikRose> I sort of wish I had something like Word to force people to do PEP 8.
2008-10-27T11:18:05  <ErikRose> Of course, it'd be lolcat themed.
2008-10-27T11:18:20  <krd111> ErikRose:  I'm not sure what you mean by "old-page-serving stuff"...please elaborate?
2008-10-27T11:18:20  <ErikRose> *bubble pops up* PEP 8: ur doin it wrong
2008-10-27T11:18:39  <ErikRose> "I can has whitespace?"
2008-10-27T11:18:53  <catherine-w> lol
2008-10-27T11:18:58  <ErikRose> "Invisible close bracket!"
2008-10-27T11:19:29  <ErikRose> krd111: Serving some not-in-Plone pages alongside the PLone ones
2008-10-27T11:20:28  <ErikRose> brb
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2008-10-27T11:21:06  <krd111> ErikRose: ahh, I understand now.  OK -- I guess I'll need that help when it's time to go live and I still don't have lots of pages migrated, unless WebSlinger helps me to migrate the pages quickly.  Should I just get in touch with Kevin?  I don't know Kevin, so I'll need his last name...Thanks
2008-10-27T11:21:25  <RobZoneNet> kalupson krd111
2008-10-27T11:21:31  <ErikRose> He's kevin7kal on here. I don't know where he is today.
2008-10-27T11:21:48  <RobZoneNet> -= THIS MESSAGE NOT LOGGED =-
2008-10-27T11:21:52  <ErikRose> When he shows up, I'll ask if he minds helping you.
2008-10-27T11:22:05  <krd111> great -- thank you!
2008-10-27T11:22:10  <ErikRose> no prob!
2008-10-27T11:24:05  <ErikRose> After all these years, I still find the relationship between distutils, setuptools, and easy_install unclear.
2008-10-27T11:24:11  <ErikRose> What is all this crap?
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2008-10-27T11:33:53  <krd111> ErikRose: Until I can talk with Kevin, maybe you can  answer this question:  I'm spending most of my time here migrating content manually. Will my efforts be obsolete if I end up using WebSlinger?  In other words, will WebSlinger overwrite what I've already built?
2008-10-27T11:34:25  <ErikRose> I honestly don't know.
2008-10-27T11:36:32  <krd111> Ok -- I'll just wait to hear from Kevin, then, and work on my styles in the meantime.
2008-10-27T11:46:27  <ErikRose> rpruyne: Could we meet at 2 tomorrow instead?
2008-10-27T11:47:02  <esteele> "U look lik ur makin a modul. Wud you lik sum halp?"
2008-10-27T11:48:12  <rpruyne> erikrose, sure, no problem
2008-10-27T11:48:30  <ErikRose> thx much
2008-10-27T11:48:41  <rpruyne> de nada, erikrose
2008-10-27T11:48:51  * esteele realizes he's responding to 20 minute old conversations.
2008-10-27T11:49:33  <ErikRose> It's okay. lolcats never get old.
2008-10-27T11:49:33  <SnarfBot> webliontickets: Ticket #825 (Refactor install and uninstall code) created <https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/ticket/825>
2008-10-27T11:49:38  <esteele> In other news "ACHOO Syndrome" might be the best name ever. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photic_sneeze_reflex
2008-10-27T11:49:53  <ErikRose> And the coolest example of crosstalk
2008-10-27T11:50:31  <rpruyne> sun sneezing would be good name for band
2008-10-27T11:51:03  <esteele> My wife has it. It's weird.
2008-10-27T12:02:57  <SnarfBot> webliontickets: Changeset [5527]: Refactored movie_view to use macros in coreevent_view; exposed event url ... <https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/changeset/5527>
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2008-10-27T12:28:47  <ErikRose> i haz it
2008-10-27T12:29:01  <ErikRose> And Lauren's a mint sneezer. I find that weird.
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2008-10-27T12:35:46  <lynnp08> RobZoneNet:  Would you have any time this week to meet with me to try to get the times listed on my Plone4Artists Calendar events.  You mentioned that we should be able to get them to display rather than have to hoover over them to see them.
2008-10-27T12:36:32  <lynnp08> RobZoneNet:  Am looking at a couple templates, but don't want to mess anything up without some advice.
2008-10-27T12:37:58  <RobZoneNet> sure, after the group on friday?
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2008-10-27T12:42:31  <lynnp08> yep, that works
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2008-10-27T13:10:20  <cewing> ErikRose: have you seen this post:  http://plone.org/support/forums/general#nabble-td1372671|a1372671
2008-10-27T13:10:39  <cewing> I just replied saying the poster should look to weblion for some information.  Hope you don't mind :)
2008-10-27T13:10:51  <ErikRose> Still loading…
2008-10-27T13:11:03  <cewing> yeah, nabble is slow this morning
2008-10-27T13:11:32  <RobZoneNet> don't call me nabble ;)
2008-10-27T13:14:16  <cewing> RobZoneNet: :D
2008-10-27T13:14:25  <RobZoneNet> wow google earth for the iPhone
2008-10-27T13:14:28  <RobZoneNet> http://tinyurl.com/6xrh8j
2008-10-27T13:22:49  <ErikRose> This nabble frontend is awful. I have no scrollbar.
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2008-10-27T13:28:57  <RobZoneNet> hooray ErikRose that did the job!
2008-10-27T13:29:04  <ErikRose> Hooray!
2008-10-27T13:36:39  * esteele wonders when buildout started updating setuptools automatically.
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2008-10-27T13:42:47  <cewing> isn't zopepy supposed to have the entire environment used for a plone installation in it?
2008-10-27T13:43:00  <cewing> I can't seem to import anything in the Products namespace
2008-10-27T13:43:03  <cewing> grrrr
2008-10-27T13:47:18  <SnarfBot> webliontickets: Changeset [5528]: Lesson learned, you should not have a install and uninstall for a global ... <https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/changeset/5528>
2008-10-27T13:52:05  <ErikRose> cewing: yep
2008-10-27T13:52:27  <cewing> yep?
2008-10-27T13:52:31  <ErikRose> It should.
2008-10-27T13:52:39  <cewing> double grrr
2008-10-27T13:52:57  * cewing is having a very bad four days
2008-10-27T13:53:18  * cewing and hopes fervently it will not turn into a very bad week
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2008-10-27T13:56:00  <ErikRose> So, we're doing full-disk encryption, but unless you shut off your laptop whenever you leave it alone, you still can't breathe easy: http://citp.princeton.edu/pub/coldboot.pdf
2008-10-27T13:56:26  <ErikRose> Any well-informed script kiddie can recover your FileVault, TrueCrypt, etc. password.
2008-10-27T13:59:32  <RobZoneNet> great
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2008-10-27T14:01:41  <ErikRose> What OS X needs to do is zero or encrypt all RAM when the machine goes to sleep, excepting what's needed to present a password prompt when it wakes up.
2008-10-27T14:01:50  <ErikRose> (Then it should use that password to decrypt RAM.)
2008-10-27T14:04:09  <ErikRose> It shouldn't even be very slow, since the default is already to write out all of RAM to disk in case battery power runs out.
2008-10-27T14:04:20  <ErikRose> You could even park the disk and then do it.
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2008-10-27T14:13:24  <SnarfBot> webliontickets: Changeset [5529]: adding EasyAsPiIE to the repository <https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/changeset/5529>
2008-10-27T14:15:24  <SnarfBot> webliontickets: Dairy Animal Science On Hosting created <https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/wiki/DairyAnimalScienceOnHosting?version=1>
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2008-10-27T14:22:40  <L0u13> ah teh fun
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2008-10-27T14:25:02  <rpruyne> are only admins allowed to add a new 'component' in the ticketing system?
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2008-10-27T14:38:38  <RobZoneNet> EasyAsPiIE
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2008-10-27T14:50:18  <RobZoneNet> i think i made the pypi gods mad at me
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2008-10-27T15:16:32  <ErikRose> cewing: If we could fly you out here for a week-long FSD sprint, would you come?
2008-10-27T15:17:31  <cewing> ErikRose: depending on what my wife says, definitely.
2008-10-27T15:17:42  <cewing> when would you be thinking about this?
2008-10-27T15:17:55  <ErikRose> Maybe November or early December?
2008-10-27T15:18:12  <ErikRose> As soon as all 4 of us can agree on a week
2008-10-27T15:18:17  <cewing> that might be a hard sell with the plone conference in such recent memory :)
2008-10-27T15:18:44  <ErikRose> We might get our Mexican collaborators up here, too, depending on how much we want to devote to spinning them up.
2008-10-27T15:18:47  <cewing> me being gone a week leaves her alone with the two kiddos.  Not an easy job :/
2008-10-27T15:18:56  <ErikRose> Aye.
2008-10-27T15:19:11  <ErikRose> Well, the remote thing is always a possibility, if that makes it easier.
2008-10-27T15:19:26  <ErikRose> Though I wonder how well we could pair properly.
2008-10-27T15:19:32  <cewing> It would, but let me talk to her about it.  She's been pretty accomodating so far
2008-10-27T15:19:43  <ErikRose> I don't want to cause marital strife.
2008-10-27T15:19:57  <cewing> I wouldn't let you :)
2008-10-27T15:20:49  <cewing> offhand, I'd say later is better.  My parents are in town over the thanksgiving weekend, and I can earn a bunch of brownie points then
2008-10-27T15:21:20  <ErikRose> So I'll lean toward early December, then.
2008-10-27T15:21:39  <cewing> that's probably best.
2008-10-27T15:21:47  <cewing> Any chance it can wait until after the holidays?
2008-10-27T15:22:08  <ErikRose> We can do whatever we want, but the managerial excitement is here now. :-)
2008-10-27T15:22:11  <cewing> We go back to Boston over xmas and I'll earn a ton of brownie points for that trip :)
2008-10-27T15:22:24  <cewing> brb
2008-10-27T15:22:35  <RobZoneNet> what is the max brownie points you can claim?
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2008-10-27T15:33:14  <rik_> hi all,  i'm having trouble finding where a bit of plone theme lives:  my client (daughter!) wants to lose the "globe" glyph preceding all "external" anchors.  where does this happen?
2008-10-27T15:33:33  <ErikRose> Maybe public.css? *guesses*
2008-10-27T15:33:53  <RobZoneNet> rik_: hi..
2008-10-27T15:34:04  <RobZoneNet> rik_: if you click on plone setup
2008-10-27T15:34:14  <RobZoneNet> er site setup
2008-10-27T15:34:20  <RobZoneNet> then click on themes
2008-10-27T15:35:05  <RobZoneNet> you can have content type icons to go away, go away for anonymous, or show
2008-10-27T15:35:11  <RobZoneNet> i would go with the second option
2008-10-27T15:37:41  <ErikRose> I just had an odd thought: how many layers of Plone installation are there?
2008-10-27T15:37:58  <rik_> RobZoneNet, ah!  thanks, i was unaware of this control.  but this must be changing some .css, right?  (i want to make the change part of a plone3-theme product.) and why do you recommend the anonymous-only choice?
2008-10-27T15:38:29  <RobZoneNet> ok if you want to make it a product i will show you..
2008-10-27T15:38:48  <RobZoneNet> when i am logged in, it is nice to know at a glance if a file is a folder, page, ...
2008-10-27T15:39:51  <RobZoneNet> https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/browser/weblion/plonetheme.santaplex/plonetheme/santaplex/profiles/default/propertiestool.xml
2008-10-27T15:40:13  <RobZoneNet> rik_: that would be if you wanted it to hide for anon
2008-10-27T15:40:48  <RobZoneNet> rik_: this would be if you wanted it to be regularly enabled: https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/browser/weblion/plonetheme.santaplex/plonetheme/santaplex/profiles/uninstall/propertiestool.xml
2008-10-27T15:41:15  <RobZoneNet> i imagine you would change enabled or authenticated to disabled
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2008-10-27T15:47:43  <rik_> RobZoneNet, great again!   in the teach-a-man-to-fish category... how should i find how @@skins-controlpanel options map to propertiestool.xml properties?  and how do these interact with base_properties.props?
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2008-10-27T15:48:15  <RobZoneNet> propertiestool.xml and base_properties are seperate
2008-10-27T15:48:30  <RobZoneNet> base_props is for css mostly
2008-10-27T15:48:42  <RobZoneNet> propertiestool is for some settings..
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2008-10-27T15:49:19  <RobZoneNet> when i need to find a option like that I go to plones default profile
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2008-10-27T15:49:35  <RobZoneNet> so if you are using a plone 3+ which i am sure you are..
2008-10-27T15:50:10  <rik_> right, i'm staying plone3-centric!
2008-10-27T15:50:26  <RobZoneNet> in your filesystem go to parts/plone/CMFPlone/profiles/default
2008-10-27T15:51:01  <RobZoneNet> tons of stuff there
2008-10-27T15:58:55  <rik_> RobZoneNet, boy, no kidding.  i've been using Firebug (and gloworm!) to poke at things like this.  should i be able to get at  the (non-CSS) properties?
2008-10-27T15:59:13  <RobZoneNet> gloworm rocks
2008-10-27T15:59:49  <RobZoneNet> i would say if you have to make changes to anything in the folder you bring it to your product.. and you also make a uninstall profile ;)
2008-10-27T16:00:40  <RobZoneNet> rik_: i found these the hard way :)
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2008-10-27T16:03:46  <rik_> RobZoneNet,  thanks for your help.  off to play with these hints.  o&o.
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2008-10-27T16:54:41  <ErikRose> mikehalm: lionshare.psu.edu/usage
2008-10-27T16:55:14  <catherine-w> Grrrrr - generic setup
2008-10-27T16:55:25  <catherine-w> Just had an "interesting" situation
2008-10-27T16:55:28  <ErikRose> Sounds like a fitting tagline.
2008-10-27T16:55:39  <ErikRose> GS—It's Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
2008-10-27T16:55:48  <catherine-w> aka the integrator's lament
2008-10-27T16:56:58  <catherine-w> So I have a product that makes a few new content types. I have an import_steps.xml in my profiles/default, and a setuphandlers.py
2008-10-27T16:58:19  <catherine-w> The code in the setuphandlers.py (as usual) does a few things that xml files in profiles/default can't do. One of the things it does is update security settings on product install (so that new roles and worflows are ready to go)
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2008-10-27T16:59:27  <catherine-w> but if you uninstall the product, get rid of the contents of import_steps.xml and setuphandlers.py..... the thing blows up
2008-10-27T16:59:40  <catherine-w> Because there is no good uninstall
2008-10-27T17:00:07  <ErikRose> Get rid of the contents? What do you mean?
2008-10-27T17:00:08  <catherine-w> Installing the slimmed down product in a brand new plone site, causes no problems no matter how many times you install and uninstall
2008-10-27T17:00:28  <catherine-w> Get rid of the contents = make it essentially empty
2008-10-27T17:00:39  <ErikRose> Ah, it makes sense in the contet of your next statement.
2008-10-27T17:00:55  <ErikRose> So, what, you don't know how to put your security settings back?
2008-10-27T17:01:02  <catherine-w> No.
2008-10-27T17:01:10  <catherine-w> I am lamenting the lack of automated uninstall
2008-10-27T17:01:25  <catherine-w> That Plone uses the ghosts of instructions past to carry on doing stuff
2008-10-27T17:01:50  <catherine-w> And products leave bits of themseleves behind on uninstall which can then conflict with the next install
2008-10-27T17:03:06  <RobZoneNet> yes catherine-w this is a pain.. I hope the people who have the power read this chat
2008-10-27T17:03:48  <catherine-w> So because my setuphandlers.py used to contain a method X, it is still looking for method X, even though the product has been uninstalled, method X has been wiped from the product and Zope has been restarted
2008-10-27T17:03:49  <ErikRose> A declarative config system—we needz it.
2008-10-27T17:04:09  <ErikRose> But I don't know what's causing your interesting problem.
2008-10-27T17:05:37  <catherine-w> ErikRose: it was confounding esteele too. We were just trying to work thru this in our meeting. "I have no idea" was his exact quote
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2008-10-27T17:09:21  <catherine-w> Gah - AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'keys'
2008-10-27T17:11:17  <catherine-w> Accompanied by "TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not callable" on a catalog reindex
2008-10-27T17:11:31  * catherine-w decides to blow away the current Zope instance and start again
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2008-10-27T17:14:40  <ErikRose> Good girl.
2008-10-27T17:15:00  <ErikRose> Those extra files would be great to stash in a fork of Data.fs
2008-10-27T17:15:06  <ErikRose> Too bad about "modern" FSs.
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2008-10-27T17:15:17  <ErikRose> In some ways, we did better in 1985.
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2008-10-27T17:17:20  <L0u13> so once again, ryan (aka staze) sends me here to seek FSD upgrade help :)
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2008-10-27T17:17:34  <L0u13> he's in a meeting this time though
2008-10-27T17:18:15  <L0u13> he was trying to upgrade to 2.1 over the weekend
2008-10-27T17:20:50  <L0u13> ugh, he told me he updated our ticket with the error message he got
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2008-10-27T17:32:12  <RobZoneNet> L0u13: it seems all the fsd are home already, try earlier tomorrow?
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2008-10-27T17:32:30  <L0u13> nods
2008-10-27T17:32:40  <L0u13> cewing|lunch appears to be at lunch
2008-10-27T17:32:44  <L0u13> :)
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