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prevent that 2008-02-04T03:16:49 fersure 2008-02-04T03:17:10 *** kinder has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T03:18:07 which errors in the import? 2008-02-04T03:18:53 oh it was just a weird caching issue 2008-02-04T03:19:01 restarting zope cleared it up 2008-02-04T03:19:11 so a normal import clears with my code 2008-02-04T03:19:17 now to try some variants 2008-02-04T03:19:38 welcome kinder 2008-02-04T03:19:51 thank you mateolan 2008-02-04T03:20:17 kinder are you using bibliographic tools? 2008-02-04T03:20:36 mateolan: not yet 2008-02-04T03:20:43 but I want to follow your work 2008-02-04T03:22:48 kinder, I see you are from Torino...is there much Plone happening in Northern Italy? 2008-02-04T03:26:14 mateolan: yes, here we have two universities using Plone 2008-02-04T03:29:39 mateolan, latest error using your file http://pastebin.com/m6ceb4cfb 2008-02-04T03:32:35 mateolan, so it errors when it can't find at least a comma in the first line of an entry 2008-02-04T03:32:50 I added commas to some entries and they came through right 2008-02-04T03:34:42 kk 2008-02-04T03:34:46 hmmn 2008-02-04T03:36:04 so test for them, then add them if needed (as a quick fix with long range plans to fix remainder of code, so doesn't error so harshly) 2008-02-04T03:36:05 ? 2008-02-04T03:37:16 I think I see what's going on 2008-02-04T03:37:31 the parser knows when there's a line based on a , I think 2008-02-04T03:38:37 no wait 2008-02-04T03:38:50 it looks for \n \r or \t 2008-02-04T03:39:03 I can't figure out where the comma would factor in 2008-02-04T03:43:20 it looks like it has to do with the strip operation on the type 2008-02-04T03:45:05 ah type, pid = tokens[0].strip().split('{') 2008-02-04T03:45:21 and when there's nothing after the { it gets confused 2008-02-04T03:45:31 right 2008-02-04T03:45:41 since we only need what comes before { now this can be changed 2008-02-04T03:47:11 so I'm thinking slice that line to the { char 2008-02-04T03:47:20 and forget about anything after it 2008-02-04T03:52:34 sounds good, but are you refering to the { in the author field, or at the beginning of the record? 2008-02-04T03:54:05 the { at the start of the record just after the @type 2008-02-04T03:54:09 its working 2008-02-04T03:54:45 now looking at the id cooker the etal one doesn't like what's going on, it inserted ok anonymous on the records 2008-02-04T03:55:34 so it didn't error but it also didn't create records 2008-02-04T03:55:42 or I should say objects 2008-02-04T03:59:49 so my tool is working, but something is amiss with the ID cookers 2008-02-04T04:09:18 great news 2008-02-04T04:09:18 here's what it's doing http://pastebin.com/m5db428c 2008-02-04T04:11:38 grepping the files I can't seem to find where that ok: Anonymous comes from 2008-02-04T04:21:50 C:\Program Files\Plone 3\Data\Products\CMFBibliographyAT\content\base.py 2008-02-04T04:21:50 line 1003: return "Anonymous, %s" % year 2008-02-04T04:23:34 or 2008-02-04T04:23:39 C:\Program Files\Plone 3\Data\Products\CMFBibliographyAT\content\folder.py 2008-02-04T04:23:39 00626: ref_authors = 'Anonymous' 2008-02-04T04:24:07 those are the only 2 places possible 2008-02-04T04:26:32 I think you're going to have to asked Raphael later 2008-02-04T04:26:50 we're filling in the pid value, but it seems rarely used 2008-02-04T04:27:18 so the import finishes now and says records imported but no objects are created and that odd ok anonymous bit 2008-02-04T04:27:41 should I commit my version of bibtexparser? 2008-02-04T04:27:57 wait wait, no records are created? 2008-02-04T04:28:28 nope, no objects, they all get listed at the bottom as imported 2008-02-04T04:28:38 weird 2008-02-04T04:29:08 can you shoot me your copy real quick, and I will play for a sec before you go 2008-02-04T04:29:40 ? 2008-02-04T04:29:53 ok 2008-02-04T04:30:00 you have a site setup? 2008-02-04T04:30:05 can you see teh place where the records are suposed to get committed to the db, but dont? 2008-02-04T04:30:14 my local host 2008-02-04T04:30:32 what do you mean by see 2008-02-04T04:30:46 the folder is there but no content is listed 2008-02-04T04:31:07 no i mean do you see in the code where things are committed 2008-02-04T04:31:12 the place in the code 2008-02-04T04:31:28 oh, no I don't know where that happends 2008-02-04T04:31:41 I've been trying to follow the trail without luck 2008-02-04T04:31:58 can't figure out who calls the parseEntry 2008-02-04T04:32:55 base.py? 2008-02-04T04:33:50 I'm not so sure 2008-02-04T04:34:54 C:\Program Files\Plone 3\Data\Products\CMFBibliographyAT\tool\parsers\base.py 2008-02-04T04:34:55 00087: """ 2008-02-04T04:34:55 00088: 2008-02-04T04:34:55 00089: def parseEntry(entry): 2008-02-04T04:34:55 00090: """ 2008-02-04T04:34:55 00091: parses a single entry 2008-02-04T04:34:57   2008-02-04T04:34:59 00209: return self.delimiter.split(source) 2008-02-04T04:35:01 00210: 2008-02-04T04:35:03 00211: def parseEntry(self, entry): 2008-02-04T04:35:05 00212: """ 2008-02-04T04:35:07 00213: parses a single entry 2008-02-04T04:35:09   2008-02-04T04:35:11 00224: returns a list of the parsed entries 2008-02-04T04:35:13 00225: """ 2008-02-04T04:35:15 00226: return [self.parseEntry(entry) \ 2008-02-04T04:35:17 00227: for entry in self.splitSourceFile(source)] 2008-02-04T04:35:18 http://wildev.no-ip.org/scisprint/ 2008-02-04T04:35:19 00228: 2008-02-04T04:35:21 uh, yeah, sorry 2008-02-04T04:36:26 wow cool 2008-02-04T04:38:01 if I could figure out how to step through the process with the debugger it would help, but I'm not sure how to do that from the zopectl 2008-02-04T04:38:59 ah find where the class BibtexParser is used 2008-02-04T04:39:10 thats when parseEntry is called 2008-02-04T04:49:13 have you looked in pybibtex? 2008-02-04T04:50:05 not sure what that is 2008-02-04T04:50:10 I'm going the other way right now 2008-02-04T04:50:20 following where the file goes on submit 2008-02-04T04:56:17 bibliography.py is where all the magic handshaking is 2008-02-04T04:58:06 ah kk 2008-02-04T04:58:59 *** dennisharrison has quit IRC 2008-02-04T05:03:02 I'll be honest I'm kinda lost 2008-02-04T05:03:12 me 2 2008-02-04T05:03:21 I think asking the original author is the next logical step 2008-02-04T05:03:27 u hav no tim at all tomorrow>? 2008-02-04T05:03:31 right 2008-02-04T05:03:38 I'm in sac all day 2008-02-04T05:03:44 ah 2008-02-04T05:03:49 eve? 2008-02-04T05:04:02 ya I'll check in when I get home 2008-02-04T05:04:08 kk 2008-02-04T05:04:28 I think we made progress in that there's no error, and the id cooker is just not doing it's job now 2008-02-04T05:04:40 maybe cause it's not taking the pid we crafted for it 2008-02-04T05:04:40 shoot him an email btonight, cc me, and he and i will discuss in morn 2008-02-04T05:04:55 ah, right 2008-02-04T05:12:53 ah, I introduced the latest error when I changed the type,pid line 2008-02-04T05:13:16 kk 2008-02-04T05:20:29 I think I might have truncated the type 1 char early and ended up with no type and that's why it barfed 2008-02-04T05:20:58 soo its woorking now? 2008-02-04T05:21:40 restarting zope... 2008-02-04T05:25:53 oh ya, its working 2008-02-04T05:26:07 suhweet!! 2008-02-04T05:26:42 ok file update download it again and test 2008-02-04T05:27:37 *** mikehalm_ has quit IRC 2008-02-04T05:27:59 we need to get them to change the Anonymous to something more like 'No Author Entered' in the marshaller 2008-02-04T05:29:06 yy 2008-02-04T05:30:55 can you email me the endnote import/export filters (good set) when you get a chance 2008-02-04T05:37:09 *** esteele has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T05:37:39 working now 2008-02-04T05:38:23 ok i c prob 2008-02-04T05:38:45 it depends on what cooker you use 2008-02-04T05:39:01 says anonymous, and "No names specified " 2008-02-04T05:39:05 " 2008-02-04T05:39:28 it is missing all the auth data 2008-02-04T05:39:34 on all the articles 2008-02-04T05:39:58 hmm, oops I thought that file had no author data 2008-02-04T05:40:52 uh, nope, it is good, 1a has everything 2008-02-04T05:41:08 except the magic keys 2008-02-04T05:43:45 hmm 2008-02-04T05:43:53 normal records come in ok 2008-02-04T05:45:10 and if they have a comma after the { they come in ok too 2008-02-04T05:48:54 which'{'...you mean the one at the beg of the record, or at the beg of the auth field? 2008-02-04T05:49:29 file 1a has auths, but none come through here 2008-02-04T05:49:43 beginning of the record 2008-02-04T05:50:10 although I should check to make sure the it's not mistaking the second one 2008-02-04T05:50:25 there's a chance that there's not end of line char on the 1st line 2008-02-04T05:52:08 *** mikehalm_ has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T05:52:08 fike noname 2 errs out, sending err by email 2008-02-04T05:53:20 file, i mean 2008-02-04T05:58:02 file noname1a works even for record without auths--but that is not representative of what endnote puts out, when there are no auths, it doesn't even include the field in the record...like in noname2 2008-02-04T05:58:38 besides, all records still imported as anonymous, even when auths exist 2008-02-04T06:05:31 there's some real odd stuff going on 2008-02-04T06:05:52 like if you move author to a different position then things go haywire 2008-02-04T06:06:55 ick 2008-02-04T06:09:06 I don't know, but I need some sleep - you've got the latest file so start fresh in the morning with tests and see how the original behaves compared to the new one 2008-02-04T06:11:47 gnight tx 2008-02-04T06:51:00 *** esteele has quit IRC 2008-02-04T06:59:15 *** aclark|away is now known as aclark 2008-02-04T07:45:23 *** geojeff has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T07:47:43 *** mateolan has quit IRC 2008-02-04T07:51:11 *** martior has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T07:54:21 *** martior_ has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T07:54:21 *** martior has quit IRC 2008-02-04T08:19:55 *** esteele has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T08:20:18 *** aclark is now known as aclark|away 2008-02-04T08:20:51 *** mikehalm_ has quit IRC 2008-02-04T08:41:30 Good morning folks. 2008-02-04T08:45:30 *** cjohansen has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T09:01:23 good morning 2008-02-04T09:01:27 * martior_ is going back to bed 2008-02-04T09:05:36 *** enzo has quit IRC 2008-02-04T09:06:03 *** enzo__ has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T09:16:06 * cbcunc off to doctor 2008-02-04T09:17:11 *** cbcunc is now known as cbcunc|doctor 2008-02-04T09:27:47 *** cbcunc|doctor has left #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T09:27:57 *** cbcunc|doctor has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T10:00:11 *** hotwired_ has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T10:08:55 *** ErikRose has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T10:13:22 *** hotwired_ is now known as dcnoye 2008-02-04T10:53:11 *** SteveM|away is now known as SteveM 2008-02-04T10:54:48 *** martior_ has quit IRC 2008-02-04T11:06:24 *** natea_ has quit IRC 2008-02-04T11:11:47 *** natea has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T11:14:29 *** natea has quit IRC 2008-02-04T11:18:33 *** natea has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T11:19:55 *** 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name format for references" or something. 2008-02-04T12:14:46 There's too much implementation being exposed in the UI, imo. 2008-02-04T12:14:53 Sounds great to me. 2008-02-04T12:14:58 Users shouldn't have to know about cookers. 2008-02-04T12:15:05 Spiffo, I'll blame you. ;-) 2008-02-04T12:18:37 *** martior has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T12:21:04 *** ErikRose_ has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T12:21:33 *** jchamm has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T12:34:58 *** ErikRose has quit IRC 2008-02-04T12:36:27 *** kinder has quit IRC 2008-02-04T12:38:07 *** SteveM is now known as SteveM|away 2008-02-04T12:45:03 *** mateolan_ has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T12:45:04 *** mateolan has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T12:51:16 *** mateolan_ has left #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T12:54:34 *** martior has quit IRC 2008-02-04T13:05:34 *** grahamperrin has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T13:07:57 *** ree has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T13:08:20 *** SteveM has joined #sciencesprint 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ErikRose 2008-02-04T13:21:02 Raphael was just showing off new additions to bib, and pubmed lookup. 2008-02-04T13:21:18 Ooo. I'm doing a bit of UI work. 2008-02-04T13:21:20 We should get him to do it again when Nate gets here to stream it. 2008-02-04T13:21:42 Matthew is just about dancing he's so happy. 2008-02-04T13:21:48 ErikRose: Ooo as in OpenOffice.org? Or just plain old ooh? 2008-02-04T13:21:54 Just Ooo. 2008-02-04T13:21:59 oh :) 2008-02-04T13:22:07 kamalgill: ping 2008-02-04T13:22:36 hi SteveM 2008-02-04T13:22:37 At the weekend I had a brief IRC chat with ericb2 about OOo and WebDAV and Plone 2008-02-04T13:22:53 Hi Kamal, I have a first draft for archetypes fields 2008-02-04T13:22:59 kamalgill: Do you have pages? 2008-02-04T13:23:33 yes 2008-02-04T13:23:44 Shall I e-mail you the doc? 2008-02-04T13:23:54 after struggling with inkscape and scribus yesterday, i'm inclined to go with pages 2008-02-04T13:24:08 InDesign 4evar! ;-) 2008-02-04T13:24:34 SteveM: go for it 2008-02-04T13:24:38 (Ha ha, only serious. It's the only thing that lets me put things where I want *and* print reliably.) 2008-02-04T13:24:42 kamalgill: OK 2008-02-04T13:25:30 kamalgill: Pages? 2008-02-04T13:25:37 *** natea_ has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T13:26:37 jchamm: yes, that pages (http://www.apple.com/iwork/pages/) 2008-02-04T13:27:03 Good thing I asked; I had no idea... 2008-02-04T13:27:12 i normally shy away from mac-only products 2008-02-04T13:29:08 *** natea has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T13:29:22 hi natea 2008-02-04T13:30:36 kamalgill: hey.. just started a conf call downstairs 2008-02-04T13:30:44 *** martior has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T13:31:05 What do people tend to use for collaborative text editing? I have experimented with a few (ACE, Gobby, MoonEdit, SubEthaEdit), wondering what (if anything) people prefer 2008-02-04T13:31:22 kamalgill: GMail acted a bit odd when I e-mailed you. Let me know if you don't get something from me soon. 2008-02-04T13:31:47 i can only speak for subethaedit, which is decent 2008-02-04T13:32:04 subetha is my fave, but it costs 2008-02-04T13:32:17 likewise but I'm conscious of the Mac only aspect 2008-02-04T13:32:42 * grahamperrin wanders off to reinstall gobby from MacPorts 2008-02-04T13:33:15 *** hauser has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T13:44:04 *** natea_ has quit IRC 2008-02-04T13:53:38 *** mateola1 has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T13:53:38 *** mateolan1 has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T13:58:16 *** mateolan1 has left #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T14:06:28 *** jchamm has left #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T14:06:37 *** jchamm has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T14:07:02 *** mateolan has quit IRC 2008-02-04T14:10:27 *** kamalgill has quit IRC 2008-02-04T14:10:36 *** ree has quit IRC 2008-02-04T14:10:55 *** martior_ has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T14:11:03 *** ree has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T14:11:09 *** hauser_ has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T14:18:44 *** siebo has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T14:19:52 *** geojeff has quit IRC 2008-02-04T14:19:53 *** stevem_ has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T14:20:24 *** SteveM has quit IRC 2008-02-04T14:20:28 *** stevem_ is now known as SteveM 2008-02-04T14:21:13 *** mateolan has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T14:21:14 *** mateolan_ has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T14:26:42 *** martior has quit IRC 2008-02-04T14:27:18 *** hauser has quit IRC 2008-02-04T14:27:41 siebo: http://www.endnote.com/support/enfilters.asp?SORT=0&PAGE=26&METH=0&DATAPROV=none 2008-02-04T14:28:56 http://uclibs.org/PID/11984 2008-02-04T14:31:46 what was the tag again? 2008-02-04T14:31:49 for flickr etc? 2008-02-04T14:37:00 *** siebo has quit IRC 2008-02-04T14:37:03 *** siebo_ has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T14:38:51 *** cbcunc|doctor is now known as cbcunc 2008-02-04T14:38:58 *** mateola1 has quit IRC 2008-02-04T14:42:21 *** grahamperrin has quit IRC 2008-02-04T14:46:36 *** DigitalD has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T14:48:59 *** DigitalD has left #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T14:54:29 martior: tag is sciencesprint 2008-02-04T14:59:44 *** mateolan1 has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T14:59:46 *** mateola1 has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T15:00:26 *** mateolan1 has left #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T15:03:58 Did somebody break getKeywords? 2008-02-04T15:05:51 *** stevem_ has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T15:09:26 *** natea is now known as natea|sciencespr 2008-02-04T15:11:32 *** SteveM has quit IRC 2008-02-04T15:11:44 *** stevem_ is now known as SteveM 2008-02-04T15:12:15 *** mateolan_ has quit IRC 2008-02-04T15:12:34 *** mateolan has quit IRC 2008-02-04T15:16:06 *** tim2p has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T15:16:15 tim2p: welcome 2008-02-04T15:16:22 hi zenwryly 2008-02-04T15:17:00 tim2p: raphael doesn't do IRC, and I'm not sure who would be better to give you an update 2008-02-04T15:17:06 anyone! 2008-02-04T15:17:08 errr 2008-02-04T15:17:10 anyone? 2008-02-04T15:17:36 zenwryly: yeah, i remember that raphael isn't a big fan of real-time messaging :) 2008-02-04T15:19:44 *** natea|sciencespr has quit IRC 2008-02-04T15:28:47 It looks like there's an error in schemata.py in the "identifiers" field (line 240) that's preventing me from adding new citations of any type. Anybody know what's causing it? 2008-02-04T15:28:47 I'm not familiar with RecordsFields. 2008-02-04T15:29:03 esteele: you have ATExtensions installed? 2008-02-04T15:29:18 siebo_: Yes. 2008-02-04T15:29:28 I'll ask raphael for you ;) 2008-02-04T15:29:40 It was working before I svn up'ed. :) 2008-02-04T15:30:03 I'll test it from here too 2008-02-04T15:30:18 esteele: raphael asks to see the traceback 2008-02-04T15:30:21 *** siebo_ is now known as siebo 2008-02-04T15:30:55 siebo: http://paste.plone.org/19338 2008-02-04T15:34:37 Oh. I didn't notice the i18n messages in there. 2008-02-04T15:36:46 *** esteele has quit IRC 2008-02-04T15:40:01 *** aclark|away is now known as aclark 2008-02-04T15:47:12 ErikRose: are you and esteele still colocated? 2008-02-04T15:47:33 Yep 2008-02-04T15:47:40 Well, he ran out of the room to go to a class. 2008-02-04T15:47:49 ErikRose: if so, Raphael says he just checked in a fix which might resolve esteele's bug he just pasted 2008-02-04T15:48:38 I'll pass that along. 2008-02-04T15:48:40 Thanks! 2008-02-04T15:49:45 *** natea has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T15:58:12 *** esteele has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T16:15:04 *** grahamperrin has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T16:18:15 *** esteele has quit IRC 2008-02-04T16:21:25 *** grahamperrin has left #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T16:31:51 *** stevem_ has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T16:32:30 *** enzo__ has quit IRC 2008-02-04T16:32:53 *** enzo_ has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T16:33:24 Is anyone actively working on the quickref track today? 2008-02-04T16:39:20 *** SteveM has quit IRC 2008-02-04T16:42:42 *** dcnoye has quit IRC 2008-02-04T16:45:33 *** SnarfBot` has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T16:46:24 *** SnarfBot has quit IRC 2008-02-04T16:46:24 *** SnarfBot` is now known as SnarfBot 2008-02-04T16:53:19 *** enzo_ has quit IRC 2008-02-04T16:55:53 *** stevem__ has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T16:55:54 *** stevem__ is now known as SteveM 2008-02-04T16:56:31 * heureso takes the deafening silence as a negative response ;-) 2008-02-04T17:00:30 * ErikRose is still ostensibly doing CMFBib UI polishing. 2008-02-04T17:02:09 *** stevem_ has quit IRC 2008-02-04T17:07:48 heureso: kamal is not here so i don't think much is happening 2008-02-04T17:08:06 heureso: SteveM might know what's hapening with quickref today 2008-02-04T17:08:19 natea: thanks! 2008-02-04T17:08:55 heureso: Jonathan and I are working on it. 2008-02-04T17:10:00 SteveM: i'm feeling vaguely more human today and getting a little stir-crazy. is there any quickref topic for which i could provide content? 2008-02-04T17:10:17 i.e., not duplicating work 2008-02-04T17:10:19 heureso: Checking ... 2008-02-04T17:11:38 SteveM: I'm pretty familiar with ZPT, if that's not already being done. 2008-02-04T17:11:51 Kamal was working on that. He's off-line. 2008-02-04T17:12:16 How are you on Archetypes? 2008-02-04T17:12:39 siebo: Raphael's fix worked. :-) 2008-02-04T17:12:56 ErikRose: :) 2008-02-04T17:13:03 Thanks 2008-02-04T17:13:28 SteveM: I could probably fake it. Is there a template you are using? 2008-02-04T17:17:27 *** callahan has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T17:17:31 heureso: Kamal is actually going to do the formatting. We're feeding him very compact ref documents. 2008-02-04T17:18:03 heureso: I've done a text for Archetypes fields. We could still use Widgets and Validators. 2008-02-04T17:18:44 The fields doc was just a list of common and specific properties for each fields. name, type, default sort of thing 2008-02-04T17:18:46 SteveM: can you send me your Archetypes text so I have model? (jeremy@ucdavis.edu) 2008-02-04T17:19:07 jeremy! Didn't recognize your nick! 2008-02-04T17:19:30 Sure. Can you read iWork pages files? Or, I can write to .doc. 2008-02-04T17:19:48 I have the older version of iWork (before 08). 2008-02-04T17:20:58 Do you know if they are backwards compatible. I'll mail and you can let me know? 2008-02-04T17:21:23 Perfect. Also, I had a shower-idea this morning: http://www.openplans.org/projects/zugod/quickref-builder-idea 2008-02-04T17:23:09 Great idea! 2008-02-04T17:23:27 Let's watch for Kamal, and bring it to his attention. 2008-02-04T17:26:15 heureso: Mail on the way. 2008-02-04T17:26:33 *** enzo_ has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T17:27:52 heureso: That sounds like a good idea. I 2008-02-04T17:29:27 SteveM: Badly, it appears that Pages files are not backwards compatible. Bad Jobs! No mock turtleneck for you! 2008-02-04T17:30:03 OK. Let's go for the three-piece suit: .doc 2008-02-04T17:32:19 On the way... 2008-02-04T17:33:20 haha 2008-02-04T17:38:53 SteveM: .doc works. I'll work on widgets, then on validators. 2008-02-04T17:40:06 excellent! 2008-02-04T17:56:49 heureso: i think StructuredDocument works like this 2008-02-04T17:59:13 http://plone.org/products/structured-document 2008-02-04T17:59:17 natea: cool. i will check it out. 2008-02-04T17:59:30 http://plone.org/products/tabbedsubpages might also be worth checking out 2008-02-04T17:59:57 and http://plone.org/products/smartprintng for exporting in various formats 2008-02-04T18:06:28 *** callahan has quit IRC 2008-02-04T18:16:40 *** martior_ has quit IRC 2008-02-04T18:20:51 *** ree has quit IRC 2008-02-04T18:24:07 *** mateola1 has quit IRC 2008-02-04T18:25:33 SteveM: I just emailed a sample of what I'm doing to make sure it's workable before proceeding. 2008-02-04T18:26:18 *** tim2p has quit IRC 2008-02-04T18:29:23 *** ree has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T18:30:43 *** hauser_ has quit IRC 2008-02-04T18:36:52 heureso: We're getting ready to head over to M&B. I'll look in on that soon. 2008-02-04T18:37:43 *** SteveM has quit IRC 2008-02-04T18:39:35 *** siebo has quit IRC 2008-02-04T18:41:29 *** hauser has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T18:43:15 *** hauser has quit IRC 2008-02-04T18:43:40 *** natea has quit IRC 2008-02-04T18:46:48 heureso: are you still using pages for the sheets? 2008-02-04T18:47:35 cbcunc: no, I'm working in Word and I only have an old version of Pages. 2008-02-04T18:47:58 I'm using styles for formatting, so I'm hoping it will translate well in Pages. 2008-02-04T18:48:00 heureso: k. just seeing if there was a template we should be using. 2008-02-04T18:48:26 * heureso wonders why we don't use STX or similar for this task. 2008-02-04T18:49:12 Steve emailed me a sample of what he has done so far, which is what I am using as a template. 2008-02-04T18:51:42 *** ree has quit IRC 2008-02-04T19:02:27 *** jonstahl is now known as jonstahl|away 2008-02-04T19:11:23 *** cewing has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T19:11:31 *** cewing has left #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T19:16:10 heureso: Can I take a look at that? 2008-02-04T19:16:53 the doc SteveM sent me? 2008-02-04T19:18:17 *** natea has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T19:19:24 jchamm: just emailed it to you. 2008-02-04T19:19:25 *** ree has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T19:21:59 Thanks! :) 2008-02-04T19:29:59 we're going to start streaming video from the Brain and Mind Center 2008-02-04T19:30:36 tune in at rtsp://air137.startdedicated.com:554/scientifictoolssprint.sdp 2008-02-04T19:32:17 What's the preferred client to use for that stream? Totem seems to fail on that... "Could not read from resource." 2008-02-04T19:35:42 *** esteele has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T19:36:53 *** ree has quit IRC 2008-02-04T19:37:06 At Carol's suggestion, I just sent out a note to the UCD technical community list (tsp-share) advertising the event. Better late than never ;-) 2008-02-04T19:37:32 *** ree has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T19:37:43 *** hauser has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T19:41:24 jchamm: the stream is not live at the moment 2008-02-04T19:42:42 *** SteveM has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T19:45:11 Oh. 2008-02-04T19:46:16 *** siebo has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T19:52:34 natea: If you are having firewall trouble wrt the stream, let me know. Chris can fix it, too. 2008-02-04T19:53:09 heureso: I think they got it fixed by moving to a wired connection. 2008-02-04T19:53:19 So, the stream may be live now. 2008-02-04T19:53:29 Nope, no stream, yet. 2008-02-04T19:54:20 heureso: we don't know what the problem is... 2008-02-04T19:54:32 seems like it works for a few minutes and then dies 2008-02-04T19:54:36 May not be firewall, as Nate can get out for a few moments, then it drops. 2008-02-04T19:55:10 heureso: feel better! wish you could be here 2008-02-04T19:55:31 siebo: thanks! i'm actually doing a lot better today. i'm even wearing pants!! 2008-02-04T19:56:15 We restrict outgoing ports on the firewalls at the CMB, so if you know what ports are needed I can open them up. 2008-02-04T19:56:42 *** enzo_ has quit IRC 2008-02-04T19:57:38 heureso: Nate says port 554 2008-02-04T19:58:06 That's what he's connecting to. 2008-02-04T20:00:01 Ok, port 554 out is now open. 2008-02-04T20:02:37 *** grahamperrin has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T20:03:20 *** natea has quit IRC 2008-02-04T20:07:41 Who's waiting for the stream? We need to decide soon whether to keep trying or start without. 2008-02-04T20:08:36 *** pigeon|out has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T20:08:36 I'd like to see it, but it's not a big deal if it can't be done. 2008-02-04T20:09:06 I'd also like to see, but can live without. 2008-02-04T20:09:07 Perhaps it can be recorded and distributed on plone.tv or something? 2008-02-04T20:09:38 Nate will record. 2008-02-04T20:10:47 So. Sorry, we're proceeding. But, Nate will record and distribute later. 2008-02-04T20:11:15 No worries. Thanks. 2008-02-04T20:28:38 *** martior has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T20:31:06 CMFBibliography + all add ons, and PloneOntology + add ons are all Plone 3 updated! 2008-02-04T20:31:14 (Raphael speaking) 2008-02-04T20:31:35 Tests updated to run in layers to run much faster. 2008-02-04T20:31:47 User interface: 2008-02-04T20:32:27 * Martin contributed GUI to manipulate author lists interactively 2008-02-04T20:33:08 * schema extended -- CMFBib now has own keywords field 2008-02-04T20:33:34 (No longer Plone subject field) 2008-02-04T20:33:59 Still working on user interface for that 2008-02-04T20:34:48 * Field for identifiers (DOI, ISBN, PMID ...) 2008-02-04T20:35:11 Can add identifiers on the fly 2008-02-04T20:35:33 excellent!!! 2008-02-04T20:36:25 On to PubMed 2008-02-04T20:36:41 There is now a PubMed query client to a bib folder 2008-02-04T20:37:43 Specify query terms, fields to query 2008-02-04T20:37:43 *** hauser has quit IRC 2008-02-04T20:37:52 *** ree has quit IRC 2008-02-04T20:38:08 Click on "PerformQuery" tab and it queries 2008-02-04T20:38:26 *** hauser has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T20:38:27 Live query via webservice working with PubMed database 2008-02-04T20:38:41 * heureso thanks SteveM for narrating. 2008-02-04T20:38:44 *** siebo has quit IRC 2008-02-04T20:38:45 *** ree has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T20:38:49 :) 2008-02-04T20:39:08 it's almost like macrumorslive.com on keynote day 2008-02-04T20:39:19 just missing the pictures 2008-02-04T20:39:23 :) 2008-02-04T20:39:23 *** siebo has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T20:39:39 Will the updated CMFBib work with Plone 2.5, too? 2008-02-04T20:39:43 Raphael has been bitten by demo bug showing this part :( 2008-02-04T20:39:53 heureso: Will ask 2008-02-04T20:39:54 heureso: we use adapters etc so probably not 2008-02-04T20:40:02 adapters work in 2.5 2008-02-04T20:40:07 ahh, 2008-02-04T20:40:10 * martior skiped 2.5 2008-02-04T20:40:35 PubMed query results look just like a CMFBib bibliography folder 2008-02-04T20:41:30 Raphael: everything should work in 2.5 2008-02-04T20:41:53 Sweet! I will try it out on the CMB site when I get back to work. 2008-02-04T20:42:00 It worked this morning in 2.5. 2008-02-04T20:42:08 It's a bug if it doesn't. 2008-02-04T20:42:18 PloneOntology ... 2008-02-04T20:42:24 Now working in Plone 3 2008-02-04T20:42:56 We're seeing a visualization of the ontology of beer. 2008-02-04T20:43:08 * SteveM is more interested in its ontogeny ... 2008-02-04T20:44:54 There is no nice interface for the reference engine part of this. How should it be done and maintained? Not answered yet. 2008-02-04T20:45:11 Maintain objects? Or, just link? 2008-02-04T20:45:54 . 2008-02-04T20:46:05 *** jonstahl|away has left #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T20:46:41 Martin is talking about connecting users to bib information 2008-02-04T20:46:49 Users may have their own data sets 2008-02-04T20:46:50 *** natea_ has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T20:47:10 Martin has worked on making this connection possible no matter what your member system. 2008-02-04T20:47:30 Widget allows selection of member. 2008-02-04T20:47:33 *** natea has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T20:48:20 Raphael: for those wanting to extend cmfbib... 2008-02-04T20:48:20 *** martior has quit IRC 2008-02-04T20:48:35 You can now hook up Zope3 interfaces for all content types 2008-02-04T20:48:53 *** martior has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T20:49:07 So, all content can become reference types 2008-02-04T20:49:14 . 2008-02-04T20:49:21 On to Balazs 2008-02-04T20:49:39 Status of autocomplete widget 2008-02-04T20:50:07 May be available by end of day. 2008-02-04T20:50:09 . 2008-02-04T20:50:18 New KSS release coming for 3.1 2008-02-04T20:50:24 Refactored and faster. 2008-02-04T20:50:30 Code size about the same. 2008-02-04T20:50:47 In short, lots of development going on. 2008-02-04T20:50:49 . 2008-02-04T20:51:15 *** siebo has quit IRC 2008-02-04T20:51:38 Ross (zenwryly) talking about grouperkey 2008-02-04T20:52:02 borg and teamspace allow you to create project teams 2008-02-04T20:52:08 grouperkey is more ad-hoc 2008-02-04T20:52:17 (I may be misspelling grouperkey) 2008-02-04T20:52:20 * grahamperrin returns from kitchen, speed-reads the commentary, smiles - sounds great - thanks to all 2008-02-04T20:52:56 SteveM: Grouparchy 2008-02-04T20:53:02 Thanks! 2008-02-04T20:53:08 Less fishy. 2008-02-04T20:53:21 see the plethora of components here: http://svn.plone.org/svn/collective/grouparchy/ 2008-02-04T20:53:46 Ross has this working for a client. Working to generalize. 2008-02-04T20:53:55 Layers on top of existing content. 2008-02-04T20:53:59 http://www.rpatterson.net/software/grouparchy/ 2008-02-04T20:54:42 Config behind scene connects groups of members in contexts to roles. 2008-02-04T20:55:06 A child in one place may be a student in another. 2008-02-04T20:55:19 You may have relations between groups. 2008-02-04T20:55:40 Ad-hoc group semantics to which you can attach security and behaviors. 2008-02-04T20:55:44 *** ree has quit IRC 2008-02-04T20:55:56 Right now, nearly all Ross' work. 2008-02-04T20:56:12 *** ree has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T20:56:21 He'd like others involved. 2008-02-04T20:57:41 Mainly lacking UI. Test coverage is good. 2008-02-04T20:57:42 . 2008-02-04T20:58:03 Back to CMFBib -- there is now a buildout to make it easy to test and develop. 2008-02-04T20:58:06 . 2008-02-04T20:58:17 Nate speaking 2008-02-04T20:58:32 *** siebo has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T20:59:03 Still intending screencast for CMFBib. 2008-02-04T20:59:15 Will try to do that tomorrow. 2008-02-04T21:00:27 . 2008-02-04T21:00:41 Nate's going to show something else. A moment to hook up... 2008-02-04T21:02:00 Nate has been working with Michael on website for musicians. Not yet launched. 2008-02-04T21:02:09 (He's showing from localhost) 2008-02-04T21:02:17 Re taxonomy/ontology, recently I wondered about Haystack. 2008-02-04T21:02:40 Jon Stahl's comment at http://blogs.onenw.org/jon/archives/2007/06/21/how-plone-keywords-should-work/#comment-317647 seems to answer my questions. 2008-02-04T21:02:42 An event aggregator tool that can suck events from iCal and RSS fields 2008-02-04T21:03:59 You can have custom scrapers. 2008-02-04T21:04:08 Events will show in P4A Calendar. 2008-02-04T21:04:48 Rich content web site without data entry. 2008-02-04T21:06:05 Nate's showing the code of a script that does updating. 2008-02-04T21:07:07 * grahamperrin looks forward to using P4A Calendar 2008-02-04T21:08:35 *** pigeon|out has quit IRC 2008-02-04T21:08:36 *** ree has quit IRC 2008-02-04T21:09:33 Also added: an event-driven mechanism to send data on new content out to aggregating sites. 2008-02-04T21:12:48 So, you can have a content rule like "Send to Upcoming.org" triggered by addking an event to a container. 2008-02-04T21:12:56 Or, send to twitter... 2008-02-04T21:13:17 *** ree has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T21:13:32 These are mainly new content rule actions like "twitter action" 2008-02-04T21:14:52 E.G., every time I post a news item, shove it out to twitter. 2008-02-04T21:16:19 Nate is demoing this live 2008-02-04T21:16:58 Will the vengeful god of demos strike him down? 2008-02-04T21:17:25 don't make me laugh--it hurts ;-) 2008-02-04T21:17:35 I think he'll make it 2008-02-04T21:17:41 Yes, "Unauthorized" 2008-02-04T21:17:51 * cbcunc just knew someone would eventually come up with something useful for twitter 2008-02-04T21:18:08 Must edit twitter rule to supply password. 2008-02-04T21:18:20 that's ok, he is now demoing that you can't hack it without a password 2008-02-04T21:18:37 cbcunc: svn log ... 2008-02-04T21:19:02 And, it worked... 2008-02-04T21:19:52 http://twitter.com/BarackObama 2008-02-04T21:21:01 Nate's inviting us all to add our own web service actions. 2008-02-04T21:21:09 . 2008-02-04T21:21:28 Raphael is returning to the podium to try the PubMed query again. 2008-02-04T21:21:40 He hope's that he's appeased the demo god. 2008-02-04T21:22:16 *** geojeff has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T21:22:39 Matthew is fantasizing out loud about automatically updated milk metadata... 2008-02-04T21:22:41 . 2008-02-04T21:23:07 Raphael is querying for "brain ontology mind" 2008-02-04T21:23:13 Two results. 2008-02-04T21:23:16 *** dcnoye has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T21:23:37 PubMedQuery is proven to be something more than vaporware. 2008-02-04T21:23:47 http://twitter.pbwiki.com/Apps 2008-02-04T21:24:24 He's exporting the results of the PubMedQuery to other bibliography formats. 2008-02-04T21:24:30 .bib 2008-02-04T21:24:55 . 2008-02-04T21:25:02 Any questions from the IRC gallery. 2008-02-04T21:25:03 ? 2008-02-04T21:25:22 One more lightning talk 2008-02-04T21:25:24 . 2008-02-04T21:26:13 http://humanrights.ucdavis.edu 2008-02-04T21:26:36 An enthusiastic local plone user 2008-02-04T21:27:30 That would be Dr. Almerindo Ojeda from the UCD Department of Linguistics 2008-02-04T21:27:34 *** dcnoye has quit IRC 2008-02-04T21:27:38 Yes. 2008-02-04T21:27:44 Thanks, Jeremy 2008-02-04T21:28:08 *** dcnoye has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T21:28:09 Dr. Ojeda appreciates how easy it is to update conent. 2008-02-04T21:28:14 s/conent/content/ 2008-02-04T21:28:22 But ... finds skinning hard ... 2008-02-04T21:28:41 Don't we all. 2008-02-04T21:29:23 that can't be true. plone marketing materials tell me that plone is easy to customize. 2008-02-04T21:32:22 cbcunc: File a bug report on 'marketing' and we'll get that fixed ;) 2008-02-04T21:35:01 *** siebo has quit IRC 2008-02-04T21:35:16 Extended discussion on merits of auto-downloading of PDFs vs. loading into browser. 2008-02-04T21:35:28 Consensus: we need a configlet option. 2008-02-04T21:35:47 . 2008-02-04T21:35:47 +1 2008-02-04T21:35:53 Raphael has wrapped up. 2008-02-04T21:36:10 We're done for now. Some folks will be working tomorrow. 2008-02-04T21:36:18 So long all. 2008-02-04T21:36:31 *** hauser has quit IRC 2008-02-04T21:36:53 *** ree has quit IRC 2008-02-04T21:37:19 *** ree has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T21:37:21 spint is over? 2008-02-04T21:37:27 sprint is over? 2008-02-04T21:37:39 *** ree has quit IRC 2008-02-04T21:38:19 *** ree has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T21:38:42 That seems to be the case. 2008-02-04T21:39:52 Sprint continues tomorrow. 2008-02-04T21:40:04 But minus a few people. 2008-02-04T21:40:21 SteveM, did Matt make it today? 2008-02-04T21:40:27 Yes. 2008-02-04T21:40:39 He's here now. 2008-02-04T21:40:58 oh I just didn't see him on the irc 2008-02-04T21:41:12 Balazs has run up to show off his autocomplete widget. 2008-02-04T21:41:16 Very slick. 2008-02-04T21:43:31 bye 2008-02-04T21:43:32 *** grahamperrin has left #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T21:48:41 *** martior has quit IRC 2008-02-04T21:49:13 *** martior has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T21:55:43 *** SteveM has quit IRC 2008-02-04T21:55:59 *** martior has quit IRC 2008-02-04T21:56:38 *** hauser has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T22:02:01 *** natea has quit IRC 2008-02-04T22:07:30 *** heureso has quit IRC 2008-02-04T22:12:48 *** esteele has quit IRC 2008-02-04T22:13:06 *** ree has quit IRC 2008-02-04T22:14:04 *** esteele has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T22:15:43 *** hauser has quit IRC 2008-02-04T22:17:32 *** esteele has quit IRC 2008-02-04T22:30:14 *** martior has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T22:31:17 *** geojeff has left #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T22:38:11 *** martior has quit IRC 2008-02-04T22:44:41 *** dcnoye has quit IRC 2008-02-04T22:52:15 *** natea has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T23:55:30 *** zenwryly` has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-04T23:57:05 *** zenwryly has quit IRC 2008-02-04T23:57:05 *** aclark has quit IRC