2008-02-03T00:01:16 *** esteele|afk has quit IRC 2008-02-03T00:18:05 *** _cbcunc_ has left #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T00:18:06 *** _cbcunc_ has quit IRC 2008-02-03T02:40:01 *** natea has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T02:46:37 *** mikehalm_ has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T02:48:28 *** mikehalm_ has quit IRC 2008-02-03T02:48:52 *** jcham has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T02:52:05 *** jcham has left #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T03:13:13 *** mikehalm_ has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T03:32:25 *** mikehalm_ has quit IRC 2008-02-03T04:49:42 *** grahamperrin has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T07:08:20 *** geojeff_ has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T07:08:27 *** geojeff has quit IRC 2008-02-03T07:17:50 *** mikehalm_ has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T07:26:09 *** geojeff has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T07:32:34 *** grahamperrin has quit IRC 2008-02-03T07:38:05 *** geojeff_ has quit IRC 2008-02-03T07:47:43 *** grahamperrin has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T08:30:34 *** natea has quit IRC 2008-02-03T08:55:32 *** natea has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T09:19:17 *** esteele has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T09:23:37 *** grahamperrin has quit IRC 2008-02-03T09:37:36 *** cbcunc has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T09:38:08 natea: ping 2008-02-03T09:56:09 *** natea has quit IRC 2008-02-03T10:42:02 *** grahamperrin has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T10:44:34 *** heureso has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T11:13:32 *** enzo_ has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T11:14:18 Hi guys! 2008-02-03T11:14:51 I hope you have a good time at the sprint 2008-02-03T11:15:45 I wish I was there... 2008-02-03T11:28:09 enzo_: I think most of the folks in the channel right now aren't actually there. We're all remoting. You're more than welcome to join us. :) 2008-02-03T11:28:59 esteele: thanks a lot! I hope to share with you some ideas... 2008-02-03T11:30:39 The folks on site will probably start showing up in the next hour or two. 2008-02-03T11:31:23 yeah, I guess so... there's some jet lag... :) 2008-02-03T11:33:20 ok, see you later... 2008-02-03T11:52:59 *** jonstahl has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T12:03:51 *** jonstahl has quit IRC 2008-02-03T12:47:33 *** SteveM|away is now known as SteveM 2008-02-03T12:48:00 We're scheduled to start at 11am (PST). Lots of late risers here. 2008-02-03T12:52:25 Thanks, SteveM. 2008-02-03T12:52:37 *** natea has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T12:56:14 Is it now 09:56 PST? 2008-02-03T12:56:21 * grahamperrin is too lazy to use an online clock 2008-02-03T12:56:26 That would be correct 2008-02-03T12:56:30 thanks 2008-02-03T12:59:22 grahamperrin: I always do this: http://www.google.com/search?q=what+time+is+it+in+davis%2C+ca :) 2008-02-03T13:02:09 esteele: thanks, I forgot to the check http://www.openplans.org/projects/zugod/project-home for the location :) - I have Cupertino in my iStat menus clock 2008-02-03T13:04:21 Ugh. I've been going through the tickets...it's just soooo slow. 2008-02-03T13:05:56 *** ErikRose has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T13:06:11 Oh, that's the problem. I must've accidentally checked "14.4 modem emulation mode" in my personal prefs... Silly me. 2008-02-03T13:06:21 Good morning, ErikRose. 2008-02-03T13:06:32 esteele: Ahoy there! 2008-02-03T13:07:10 *** mikehalm_ has quit IRC 2008-02-03T13:07:20 I'm "grincheroo" or something on Skype. 2008-02-03T13:08:14 *** jonstahl has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T13:15:33 At http://www.openplans.org/projects/zugod/project-home the link to UniversalInstaller+ is http://www.openplans.org/projects/zugod/project-home/@@add-page?Title=UniversalInstaller§ion=text - a slight problem as I can't sign in to OpenPlans 2008-02-03T13:15:37 SteveM: ^ ? 2008-02-03T13:16:16 What's your openplans id? 2008-02-03T13:17:59 SteveM: well I don't recall registering (could be my bad memory) so I try to register as grahamperrin, OpenPlans tell me that grahamperrin exists, so I see a password reminder but OpenPlans fails ... some error relating to WordPress :( 2008-02-03T13:18:46 grahamperrin: Can't help you there. I think there may be an #openplans channel. 2008-02-03T13:19:02 SteveM: no problem. Thanks 2008-02-03T13:20:00 Searching for grahamperrin in OpenPlans doesn't turn anything up. 2008-02-03T13:20:59 I have to head off to get ready for the sprint. See you all here soon. 2008-02-03T13:21:04 *** SteveM is now known as SteveM|away 2008-02-03T13:25:33 * grahamperrin finds http://www.openplans.org/projects/zugod/universalinstaller 2008-02-03T13:25:52 grahamperrin: just added it ;) 2008-02-03T13:26:01 natea: you're a gentleman 2008-02-03T13:26:10 :) 2008-02-03T13:27:03 sorry, I misunderstood that OpenPlans was requiring sign-in to access restricted content. Didn't realise the content was not yet present :) 2008-02-03T13:27:24 that's what the + next to the link means 2008-02-03T13:27:28 it hasn't yet been created 2008-02-03T13:27:33 ah ok 2008-02-03T13:29:30 SteveM, natea: i'm seriously ill. i tried to tought it out yesterday but hit a wall. 2008-02-03T13:29:41 natea: re http://plone.org/events/sprints/past-sprints/paderborn/NateWishlist (2005-12) are you still wishing for easier ways of installing wv? 2008-02-03T13:30:38 grahamperrin: yes, as you can see from http://svn.plone.org/svn/plone/Installers/UnifiedInstaller/branches/UnifiedInstallerPlusBuildout/README.txt 2008-02-03T13:30:41 it is still a manual install 2008-02-03T13:30:53 would be nice if there was a buildout recipe 2008-02-03T13:31:09 to install that one and any other dependencies required for plone 2008-02-03T13:31:27 xpdf, libxml2, libjpeg, etc 2008-02-03T13:33:38 *** SteveM|away is now known as SteveM 2008-02-03T13:33:56 grahamperrin: funny how many of those items on the wishlist are still valid today, 3 yrs later! 2008-02-03T13:34:10 cbcunc: Sorry to hear it! Hope you feel better soon! 2008-02-03T13:34:58 The wv install is a nightmare. Unbelievable dependencies. 2008-02-03T13:35:18 natea and SteveM: http://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/7679#comment:6 is the .mpkg installer appealing? 2008-02-03T13:35:21 SteveM: yeah, couldn't we bundle up the binaries with a linux2.6 installer? 2008-02-03T13:36:06 natea: Could be. I wish we could find a lighter weight word parser. 2008-02-03T13:36:09 * grahamperrin agrees that a buildout recipe would be nice but I wouldn't no where to start 2008-02-03T13:36:42 buildout really shouldn't be installing system libraries :( 2008-02-03T13:37:19 SteveM: might a buildout install the binaries within the confines of a Zope installation? 2008-02-03T13:37:48 grahamperrin: Not for something like wv. With dependencies, it'd be bigger than everything else combined. 2008-02-03T13:37:50 SteveM: BTW I'm not expecting you or anyone to action this, just curious :/ 2008-02-03T13:38:26 understood 2008-02-03T13:49:02 *** SteveM is now known as SteveM|away 2008-02-03T13:56:20 Anyone have an example of a page that works well with Zotero? 2008-02-03T13:57:25 Ah, nevermind. I've found a list. http://www.zotero.org/translators/ 2008-02-03T14:04:37 esteele: I posted a response on jonstahl's blog; it's in the moderation queue. 2008-02-03T14:04:52 ErikRose: Cool. 2008-02-03T14:05:04 Hopefully I didn't sound like too much of a dick. :-) 2008-02-03T14:08:51 ErikRose: i'll go moderate. :-) 2008-02-03T14:08:56 Woo. :-) 2008-02-03T14:09:24 *** SteveM has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T14:09:30 *** zenwryly has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T14:09:37 hello all, this is ross 2008-02-03T14:09:37 ErikRose: not even slightly dick-ish. ;-) 2008-02-03T14:09:43 I forgot to include "I welcome collaboration and pointing out of holes." :-) 2008-02-03T14:09:47 Ah, good. 2008-02-03T14:10:02 Hi, ross. 2008-02-03T14:10:04 Now at sprint center. 2008-02-03T14:10:15 Weather here is beautiful. 2008-02-03T14:10:27 We're at the top of the tallest building in Yolo county. 2008-02-03T14:10:32 ErikRose: hello 2008-02-03T14:10:39 natea: ping 2008-02-03T14:10:44 zenwryly: pong 2008-02-03T14:10:46 We can see at least five counties this morning. 2008-02-03T14:10:53 natea: where are you :) 2008-02-03T14:11:01 still at econolodge 2008-02-03T14:11:03 on my way over 2008-02-03T14:11:06 wow 2008-02-03T14:11:22 checking google maps for directions 2008-02-03T14:12:05 http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=440478&cid=22283440 2008-02-03T14:12:11 *** callahan has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T14:12:15 * ErikRose posts mysterious links. 2008-02-03T14:14:45 *** natea has quit IRC 2008-02-03T14:20:55 * SteveM thought 11am was a late enough start that we'd all be here ... hint, hint. 2008-02-03T14:22:22 * esteele gets the feeling that if he started walking now, he'd get there before some of the folks in Davis... :P 2008-02-03T14:23:16 *** wildint has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T14:30:59 Whilst it's quiet, off-topic from the sprint (but relating to an add-on to Plone): 2008-02-03T14:31:29 Re Apache FOP, Is it possible to specify headless mode when running the *script* from the command line? I see http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/0.94/running.html#fop-script but I'm not great with command lines, environment variables etc.. AFAIK what's required is something like -Djava.awt.headless=true or -D headless 2008-02-03T14:34:19 *** natea has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T14:36:12 Stream is live 2008-02-03T14:36:47 Nate, Martin, Raphael, Ross, Jason, Jonathan, Alex and Steve are here 2008-02-03T14:37:24 Working svn for biblio sprinters at http://svn.plone.org/svn/collective/CMFBibliographyAT/buildout/trunk/ 2008-02-03T14:37:34 working buildout, that is. 2008-02-03T14:37:54 Thanks SteveM. 2008-02-03T14:38:11 Ross is tuning up the svn ignores for the buildout. 2008-02-03T14:38:30 You'll want to delete the bin and run bootstrap.py 2008-02-03T14:38:35 with your python 2008-02-03T14:38:43 zenwryly, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/66 2008-02-03T14:38:48 wildint: thanks! 2008-02-03T14:40:46 *** oferw has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T14:42:46 *** ree has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T14:42:49 Who's the fellow in front of the camera? 2008-02-03T14:42:58 Just trying to put names/screennames to faces. :) 2008-02-03T14:43:06 esteele: that's Martin from Oslo, Norway 2008-02-03T14:43:16 Thanks Nate. 2008-02-03T14:43:32 martior? 2008-02-03T14:43:55 *** jcham has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T14:44:05 That's him. 2008-02-03T14:44:16 *** jcham is now known as jcham1 2008-02-03T14:44:24 *** jcham1 is now known as jcham 2008-02-03T14:49:28 What's the typical use case for CMFBib? Do folks usually create just one BibFolder that everyones' references go into or one per person on the site? 2008-02-03T14:49:59 *** oferw has quit IRC 2008-02-03T14:50:20 * grahamperrin hears thumbnails and previews 2008-02-03T14:50:22 http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/Quicklook_Programming_Guide/QLUserExperience/chapter_2_section_3.html 2008-02-03T14:50:30 http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/Quicklook_Programming_Guide/QLSaveInDocument/chapter_8_section_1.html 2008-02-03T14:50:37 http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/Quicklook_Programming_Guide/QLUserExperience/chapter_2_section_2.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40005020-CH3-DontLinkElementID_12 2008-02-03T14:50:58 Thanks, cameraman. Looks like a great location. :) 2008-02-03T14:51:29 *** oferw has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T14:53:39 *** oferw has quit IRC 2008-02-03T14:54:36 *** oferw has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T14:57:55 *** ree has quit IRC 2008-02-03T14:58:59 Balazs is going to start a KSS talk soon. 2008-02-03T14:59:06 Ooo, thanks. 2008-02-03T14:59:10 Incentive to get on the stream ;) 2008-02-03T14:59:50 The steam is remarkably well behaved. Kudos to somebody. 2008-02-03T14:59:59 The stream, too 2008-02-03T15:00:57 That would be nate 2008-02-03T15:01:11 Kudos, natea 2008-02-03T15:01:47 * esteele tags a bunch of issues. 2008-02-03T15:03:17 *** siebo has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T15:03:29 Balazs is planning to both introduce kss and talk about recent work. Something for everyone. 2008-02-03T15:03:33 Now starting. 2008-02-03T15:03:46 cool 2008-02-03T15:06:13 Can you folks here Balazs? 2008-02-03T15:06:18 s/here/hear/ 2008-02-03T15:06:19 yep, just 2008-02-03T15:06:24 a little faint 2008-02-03T15:06:26 but ok 2008-02-03T15:06:41 * grahamperrin puts his hand up to, not done anything with it 2008-02-03T15:06:44 Lots of keyboard and chair noise 2008-02-03T15:06:44 who is that in the foreground of the stream now? 2008-02-03T15:06:54 jonstahl: Balazs 2008-02-03T15:07:11 If you missed the prior announcement, big merge into the CMFBib trunk. People should update. 2008-02-03T15:07:39 i can here him. 2008-02-03T15:07:39 i don't think so. 2008-02-03T15:07:43 If you have questions for balazs, ask them in the channel. 2008-02-03T15:07:58 * ErikRose updates. 2008-02-03T15:08:00 Thanks, Steve 2008-02-03T15:08:21 i packaged one of balazs's tutorials here: http://trizpug.org/Members/cbc/kss-part-one-online/ 2008-02-03T15:08:38 Nate just gave balazs a mike 2008-02-03T15:10:09 grahamperrin: thanks :-) 2008-02-03T15:10:22 np I copied and pasted 2008-02-03T15:12:35 http://chrispederick.com/work/web-developer/ 2008-02-03T15:16:04 *** siebo has quit IRC 2008-02-03T15:16:07 *** siebo_ has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T15:17:10 when I create my plone site in the buildout should I install the *Biblio* extension profiles 2008-02-03T15:17:15 *** siebo_ is now known as siebo 2008-02-03T15:17:26 siebo: I really doubt it. 2008-02-03T15:17:36 ErikRose: ah, ok, thank 2008-02-03T15:17:36 I never have. 2008-02-03T15:17:39 np 2008-02-03T15:18:24 http://kssproject.org/download/firekiss.xpi/view 2008-02-03T15:18:38 what was decided about the domain and plone for unviersities? 2008-02-03T15:18:57 siebo: hay ;-) 2008-02-03T15:19:08 I think they decided on ploneedu.something 2008-02-03T15:19:10 I think we're going to get the Plone Foundation to register the domain. 2008-02-03T15:19:10 oferw: hi :) 2008-02-03T15:19:14 oferw: I have a Colloquy log of some of yesterday's IRC 2008-02-03T15:19:29 oferw: and I think natea will be making available logs 2008-02-03T15:19:47 * ErikRose has much of it logged and just has to get Apache configured to serve it. 2008-02-03T15:19:51 grahamperrin: great 2008-02-03T15:21:33 *** jcham has left #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T15:22:06 Unit tests in JavaScript, what a concept! 2008-02-03T15:22:09 Where is this page that Balazs is using? 2008-02-03T15:22:23 ErikRose: it's running on localhost:8080 2008-02-03T15:22:37 Figured that much. Is it part of some KSSDevelopment product or something? 2008-02-03T15:22:48 ErikRose: http://kssproject.org 2008-02-03T15:25:16 natea: thanks 2008-02-03T15:26:02 ErikRose: Get that? 2008-02-03T15:26:17 Nope 2008-02-03T15:26:49 The demo package is to be part of Plone 3.1, and is in the review set now. 2008-02-03T15:27:00 SteveM: thanks 2008-02-03T15:27:03 Oho. Thanks. 2008-02-03T15:28:25 natea: can you raise the brightness of the broadcast (without raising the brightness in the room)? QuickTime Player window yesterday and today just a little dimmer than my other windows 2008-02-03T15:29:05 ^ only if easily done and non-disruptive 2008-02-03T15:29:22 Nate's seeing what he can do. 2008-02-03T15:29:43 *** jcham has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T15:30:39 grahamperrin: i don't think there's much we can do w/o closing all the blinds in the room 2008-02-03T15:30:52 natea: really, no problem 2008-02-03T15:31:00 *** geojeff has quit IRC 2008-02-03T15:31:38 *** geojeff has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T15:33:45 for half-time entertainment, you can watch the Day 1 sprint video - http://plone.tv/media/530888046 2008-02-03T15:34:59 Anyone working on the Zotero integration? 2008-02-03T15:37:48 *** mateolan_ has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T15:40:38 *** jonstahl has quit IRC 2008-02-03T15:40:55 Fun video, natea :-) 2008-02-03T15:41:04 *** jonstahl has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T15:42:33 Back to Balazs 2008-02-03T15:49:21 Then we should package a newer setuptools version... 2008-02-03T15:49:30 I'm happy to help. 2008-02-03T15:49:35 I've been doing that for 3 weeks. 2008-02-03T15:49:42 niiice 2008-02-03T15:50:05 The nice thing about Debian—the dev docs from 5 years ago are still right. 2008-02-03T15:50:28 Ha ha, just serious. 2008-02-03T15:51:49 *** kamalgill has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T15:54:34 SteveM: did we agree on a flickr tag for uploading photos? 2008-02-03T15:54:45 same as delicious tag? 2008-02-03T15:54:47 Someone posted one earlier. 2008-02-03T15:54:58 Sorry, that was delicious. 2008-02-03T15:55:03 Same sounds fine. 2008-02-03T15:56:39 wildnt: chk ur email, pseudocode for biblio errors 2008-02-03T15:58:41 wildint: what was the name of the biblio parsing file where we found the code to change? 2008-02-03T15:59:32 Balazs started a flickr tag: sciencesprint 2008-02-03T16:00:03 http://flickr.com/search/?q=sciencesprint 2008-02-03T16:00:41 "I didn't pray to the demo god." --Balazs 2008-02-03T16:01:13 if you have photos of the sprint, please upload them to flickr with the tag "sciencesprint" 2008-02-03T16:04:11 Hehe, optical mouse doesn't work so well on a glass table. 2008-02-03T16:05:02 *** kamalgill_ has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T16:05:05 *** natea_ has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T16:05:08 *** siebo_ has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T16:05:13 *** mateolan1 has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T16:06:40 Anybody have a microformat preference? 2008-02-03T16:06:54 As in yes or no? 2008-02-03T16:07:12 Sorry, I wasn't listening. 2008-02-03T16:07:24 *** siebo_ is now known as siebo|away 2008-02-03T16:07:39 *** hauser has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T16:08:04 *** stevem_ has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T16:08:08 *** kamalgill_ has quit IRC 2008-02-03T16:08:10 COins or RDF? 2008-02-03T16:09:15 esteele: COins is good for compatibility with Zotero plugin for firefox--a desired feature by some (incl me) 2008-02-03T16:09:37 Ok. I'll go with that. Thanks, mateolan1. 2008-02-03T16:10:21 *** mateolan1 has left #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T16:11:38 *** jcha1 has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T16:12:44 *** natea_ changes topic to "CMFBib issues - http://tinyurl.com/yr3uex | Sprint planning - http://tinyurl.com/2htku9 | ive video stream - rtsp://air137.startdedicated.com:554/scientifictoolssprint.sdp | Flickr photos - http://tinyurl.com/29xxvy | Delicious bookmarks - http://tinyurl.com/29awxm" 2008-02-03T16:13:08 *** natea_ changes topic to "CMFBib issues - http://tinyurl.com/yr3uex | Sprint planning - http://tinyurl.com/2htku9 | Live video stream - rtsp://air137.startdedicated.com:554/scientifictoolssprint.sdp | Flickr photos - http://tinyurl.com/29xxvy | Delicious bookmarks - http://tinyurl.com/29awxm" 2008-02-03T16:14:27 *** wildint has quit IRC 2008-02-03T16:14:59 *** wildint has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T16:14:59 *** SteveM has quit IRC 2008-02-03T16:15:04 *** natea has quit IRC 2008-02-03T16:16:11 *** jcham has quit IRC 2008-02-03T16:16:16 *** siebo has quit IRC 2008-02-03T16:16:50 *** kamalgill has quit IRC 2008-02-03T16:17:35 *** mateolan_ has quit IRC 2008-02-03T16:21:16 *** ErikRose changes topic to "CMFBib issues - http://tinyurl.com/yr3uex | Sprint planning - http://tinyurl.com/2htku9 | Live video stream - rtsp://air137.startdedicated.com:554/scientifictoolssprint.sdp | Flickr photos - http://tinyurl.com/29xxvy | Delicious bookmarks - http://tinyurl.com/29awxm | IRC logs - http://tinyurl.com/ytn8th" 2008-02-03T16:21:23 * ErikRose finally posts the IRC logs. 2008-02-03T16:21:40 ErikRose: we can link to them in the topic 2008-02-03T16:21:47 Just did. :-) 2008-02-03T16:21:54 nice 2008-02-03T16:22:33 I was away for a while - the stream ended? 2008-02-03T16:22:39 Apparently 2008-02-03T16:25:24 We lost wireless for a moment. 2008-02-03T16:25:50 Nate has stepped out; I'll tell him when he returns. 2008-02-03T16:26:47 ty 2008-02-03T16:28:39 *** mateola1 has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T16:28:56 * grahamperrin tunes in thanks 2008-02-03T16:32:44 cbcunc, have you talked to siebo about adding DOI and keywords to the schemas 2008-02-03T16:33:42 *** kamalgill has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T16:36:39 wildint: no. i've been deathly ill the last two days. 2008-02-03T16:38:51 wildint: adding doi number to the schema is easy. what needs to happen is on the view, the doi number needs to be enclosed in a RESTful link to a DOI resolution server for that number. And the DOI resolution server should probably be a property on the content type. 2008-02-03T16:39:20 cbcunc, I just wanted to make sure if you do the DOI you also add the keywords at the same time 2008-02-03T16:39:42 So you can change the server. Because dx.doi.org, which everyone would be tempted to use, is just an experimental resolution server. 2008-02-03T16:39:52 wildint: i don't think i'm going to be doing anything for awhile. 2008-02-03T16:40:12 wildint: i can barely breathe or swallow right now. 2008-02-03T16:41:01 I'll try to make sure siebo adds DOI when he goes to put in keywords 2008-02-03T16:41:15 so that you can jump to the step after that when you're better 2008-02-03T16:41:30 wildint: sounds good. make all the schema changes at once. the view and the property can be added later. 2008-02-03T16:42:22 doi.org is even slower than plone.org 2008-02-03T16:43:34 Feel better, cbcunc. 2008-02-03T16:48:41 *** siebo|away is now known as siebo 2008-02-03T16:50:27 cbcunc: to which bibliotypes do you think we should add DOI? 2008-02-03T16:50:50 siebo: what are the choices 2008-02-03T16:51:51 siebo: if it can be used for a citation, it needs a DOI. it's the standard unique identifier in the natural and physical sciences. 2008-02-03T16:56:57 *** oferw_ has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T16:57:39 cbcunc: sorry to lag,was on the phone for a moment 2008-02-03T16:58:02 *** oferw has quit IRC 2008-02-03T16:58:09 seibo: np. what the choices for bibliotypes that you are asking about? 2008-02-03T16:58:14 I think it definitely would fit in article... 2008-02-03T16:58:17 *** oferw_ is now known as oferw 2008-02-03T16:58:25 wildint was thinking it might also fit in inproceedings 2008-02-03T16:58:34 cbcunc: we can also check with Raphael 2008-02-03T17:01:11 seibo: it should show up in the same places that journal title, volume, page, article title, and isbn would show up. 2008-02-03T17:01:53 seibo: and it should be optional and if it is left blank, then it should not show up in the view. 2008-02-03T17:02:27 seibo: it can probably be text for now and i can add a custom validator later. 2008-02-03T17:04:58 seibo: the field type is tough. doi is not resolving right now. i think there is some intention to use DOI in urlspace as a protocol, like doi://some-doi-number 2008-02-03T17:05:16 seibo: you may just want to table the DOI ticket for now. 2008-02-03T17:08:01 cbcunc: well, it looks like the article schema already has a DOI field... 2008-02-03T17:08:23 seibo: doi.org is down. but the format is shown here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_object_identifier#Structure 2008-02-03T17:08:43 this is an article schema in CMFBibiliographyAT? 2008-02-03T17:12:07 *** kidsoul has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T17:12:52 cbcunc: yes, let me find you an SVN link 2008-02-03T17:13:12 seibo: i'm looking too. 2008-02-03T17:13:17 :) 2008-02-03T17:13:56 cbcunc: http://svn.plone.org/svn/collective/CMFBibliographyAT/trunk/content/article.py 2008-02-03T17:15:04 *** kidsoul has quit IRC 2008-02-03T17:16:26 siebo: i see it. cool. 2008-02-03T17:18:29 *** stevem_ is now known as SteveM 2008-02-03T17:21:59 *** enzo__ has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T17:21:59 *** enzo_ has quit IRC 2008-02-03T17:24:29 *** mateola1 has quit IRC 2008-02-03T17:27:19 Later, all. 2008-02-03T17:27:28 *** ErikRose has quit IRC 2008-02-03T17:32:38 did svn.plone.org/svn/collective just die? 2008-02-03T17:32:42 *** enzo__ has quit IRC 2008-02-03T17:35:38 *** aclark has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T17:35:44 aclark! 2008-02-03T17:35:49 cbcunc! 2008-02-03T17:35:56 * aclark wonders what the science sprint is 2008-02-03T17:36:20 aclark: http://www.openplans.org/projects/zugod/project-home 2008-02-03T17:40:24 anyone know where ErikRose is? 2008-02-03T17:40:27 *** natea_ is now known as natea 2008-02-03T17:41:11 cbcunc: oh! the cali thing ;-) 2008-02-03T17:41:29 aclark: http://plone.tv/tagging/tags/sciencesprint 2008-02-03T17:41:34 *** oferw has quit IRC 2008-02-03T17:41:52 natea: ooo, nice thanks 2008-02-03T17:42:57 natea: ErikRose said goodbye 2008-02-03T17:43:20 * natea is working on a CMFBibliographyAT screencast 2008-02-03T17:43:28 *** geojeff has quit IRC 2008-02-03T17:43:52 natea: that will be very smart, very timely for discussion with colleagues at work 2008-02-03T17:44:19 seibo: you are working out of trunk? 2008-02-03T17:50:36 seibo: nevermind. 2008-02-03T17:52:55 seibo: i'm looking at these types in CMFBibliographyAT/trunk/content and there are many which could apply to DOI. DOI can be used on anything which is an *electronic document*. 2008-02-03T17:57:11 *** mateolan_ has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T17:57:13 *** mateolan has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T18:00:13 seibo: after looking at /CMFBibliography/trunk/content, I'm convinced that article.py is the wrong place for DOI. It ought to be in /CMFBibliography/trunk/content/schemata.py in CoreSchema. The rationale is that is where the publication_url and publication_pdf fields are. publication_doi ought to be a peer of those two fields (because the url or the link to the PDF often *is* the DOI). 2008-02-03T18:02:17 cbcunc: ok, that sounds reasonable to me, I'll speak with Raphael about this 2008-02-03T18:03:05 siebo: thanks 2008-02-03T18:04:19 *** kamalgill has quit IRC 2008-02-03T18:10:33 *** SteveM has quit IRC 2008-02-03T18:10:45 blog post from day 1 - http://nateaune.com/2008/02/03/scientific-tools-and-documentation-plone-sprint-day-1/ 2008-02-03T18:11:32 seibo: ok, DOI was added to article.py in changeset 33207 on 11/09/06 18:46:18 (1 year ago). that was since i last checked. i didn't know it was already there. i'm pleasantly surprised. 2008-02-03T18:11:46 seibo: raphael says in the checkin comment: "Looking at http://www.doi.org/, there's probably a case for adding this field to (all?) other types as well, but I've only ever had cause to use it for articles, so I'll just stick with that for now." 2008-02-03T18:12:38 in my field, we've had it for conference posters and presentation and graduation theses. 2008-02-03T18:14:23 where is the right place in the buildout to run "svn up"? 2008-02-03T18:15:26 *** martior has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T18:17:04 seibo: anywhere at or below where you checked it out. :) 2008-02-03T18:18:33 we should all get one of these: http://www.lippiselkbag.co.uk/ 2008-02-03T18:34:46 taking the stream off for a few min to get some scenic shots 2008-02-03T18:39:05 Heh. Just as you guys start talking about my project. :P 2008-02-03T18:44:08 cbcunc: thanks 2008-02-03T18:44:37 cbcunc: I spoke with Raphael re: where to put DOI in the schema, he is adding a new field to CoreSchema 2008-02-03T18:46:38 cbcunc: which will be a more generic identifier field that can support multiple identifier types as a dictionary 2008-02-03T18:48:39 cbcunc: PubMed, DOI, etc :) 2008-02-03T18:52:40 stream is back 2008-02-03T18:56:43 *** callahan has quit IRC 2008-02-03T19:13:07 seibo: check 2008-02-03T19:13:29 seibco: hopefullly we'll be able to tell what kind of field it is. 2008-02-03T19:14:00 pubmed is a medical only *database*. doi is a document identifier for an electronic document which could be anywhere 2008-02-03T19:14:23 a doi can be made into a direct link to a server which will return a link to the document as a web service. 2008-02-03T19:14:38 so there are things you would do with a doi that you would not do with a doi. 2008-02-03T19:14:50 so there are things you would do with a doi that you would not do with a pubmed, that is. 2008-02-03T19:14:54 sorry. 2008-02-03T19:16:52 cbcunc: makes sense, I think we could probably work around that in the template/widget/view logic 2008-02-03T19:30:38 *** siebo is now known as siebo|outside 2008-02-03T19:31:36 siebo: also growing possibility that a doc will have both a doi and a pubmed. 2008-02-03T19:32:58 jcha1: want to take a break? 2008-02-03T19:36:07 *** jonstahl is now known as jon|walk 2008-02-03T20:07:32 *** siebo|outside is now known as siebo 2008-02-03T20:09:41 we're doing a wrapup now 2008-02-03T20:16:43 +1 to screencast notion 2008-02-03T20:17:10 and some demo sites might be great for advocacy 2008-02-03T20:25:08 *** grahamperrin has left #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T20:25:15 *** grahamperrin has quit IRC 2008-02-03T20:29:28 siebo: http://dev.plone.org/collective/changeset/58139 2008-02-03T20:30:28 *** martior has quit IRC 2008-02-03T20:46:43 *** heureso has quit IRC 2008-02-03T20:49:32 *** siebo has quit IRC 2008-02-03T20:52:03 shutting down the stream 2008-02-03T20:52:10 heading out for dinner 2008-02-03T20:52:14 see y'all tomorrow! 2008-02-03T20:54:54 *** jcha1 has left #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T20:55:21 *** natea has quit IRC 2008-02-03T20:55:38 *** hauser has quit IRC 2008-02-03T20:58:33 *** jon|walk has quit IRC 2008-02-03T20:58:34 *** jonstahl has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T21:05:39 *** wildint has quit IRC 2008-02-03T21:10:18 *** jonstahl has quit IRC 2008-02-03T21:11:47 *** kidsoul has joined #sciencesprint 2008-02-03T21:21:23 *** mateolan has quit IRC 2008-02-03T21:23:26 *** mateolan_ has quit IRC 2008-02-03T23:45:15 *** mikehalm_ has joined #sciencesprint