... 2009-02-19T01:35:44 disko has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T02:32:24 limi|out has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T02:39:09 limi has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T02:45:34 limi is now known as limi|busy ... 2009-02-19T02:51:10 disko has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T03:09:08 disko has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T03:11:15 phimic: are you on Plone 2.5 or older? 2009-02-19T03:11:51 Plone 3 onwards implements better security for that stuff, IIRC ... 2009-02-19T03:12:55 right 2009-02-19T03:13:06 phimic: better upgrade :-) 2009-02-19T03:13:13 I'd suggest an upgrade if you can — if not, SessionCrumbler is probably your best bet 2009-02-19T03:13:30 Plone 2.5 is definitely less secure by default ... 2009-02-19T03:15:56 :) ... 2009-02-19T03:17:03 tag clouds are the worst UI element invented in the last 10 years, but yes — there are products for it 2009-02-19T03:17:55 I'm unlikely to be a good source for recommendations there, though ;) 2009-02-19T03:18:47 * limi|busy contemplates ordering http://t-shirts.cafepress.com/item/tag-clouds-dont-work-mens-raglan/87339222 2009-02-19T03:18:48 ;) ... 2009-02-19T03:27:01 Guest37033: contact the author and ask him whether a 3.x compatible version is planned? ... 2009-02-19T03:28:24 limi|busy: has the Plone CSS been cleaned up for Plone 3.2 or something? 2009-02-19T03:28:32 I find that there's not too many files. ... 2009-02-19T03:29:36 lol ... 2009-02-19T03:33:32 maurits has joined #plone 2009-02-19T03:34:16 markvl has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T03:34:33 markvl has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T03:38:42 siebo has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T03:38:47 hillsy has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T04:43:28 disko_ has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T04:47:03 reinout has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T05:02:10 disko has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T05:14:27 limi|busy is now known as limi|ploneorg ... 2009-02-19T05:18:44 hillsy has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T05:38:27 Mytux: have you run the PIL self-tests? ... 2009-02-19T05:52:20 Mytux: check the PIL documentation ... 2009-02-19T06:02:01 teix has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T06:13:34 MJ has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T06:15:13 esteele has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T06:36:54 inufelipe: sounds like you have a Python without SSL support ... 2009-02-19T06:38:15 markvl has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T06:41:33 esteele has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T06:43:02 nope 2009-02-19T06:43:05 sorry ... 2009-02-19T06:44:48 ? ... 2009-02-19T06:50:54 jham: modern versions of Plone set a class on the body tag that contains the template name ... 2009-02-19T06:51:18 jham: which will probably have the zwiki template name ... 2009-02-19T06:51:32 Pixal: don't ask to ask, just ask ;) ... 2009-02-19T06:53:49 jham: there should be a second one too 2009-02-19T06:53:54 something like template-* ... 2009-02-19T06:54:04 depends on what version you're running, I guess 2009-02-19T06:54:10 not sure when it was introduced ... 2009-02-19T06:56:40 jham: what version of Plone are you running? ... 2009-02-19T06:56:55 Pixal: yeah, you might want to do a workaround with a massive logo like that ... 2009-02-19T06:57:18 jham: interesting, I thought that had the template-* class ... 2009-02-19T06:57:59 jham: it does, check plone.org (View source), it has class=" template-ploneorg_frontpage" 2009-02-19T06:58:39 interesting that the zwiki page doesn't expose it, double check the body tag, jham? 2009-02-19T06:58:48 multiple classes are possible ... 2009-02-19T07:03:38 jham: body.template-wikipage h2 {} should work 2009-02-19T07:04:21 jaro: yes, you can get Plone 3.3 via something called PloneNext 2009-02-19T07:04:34 not recommended for production until it's released, of course ... 2009-02-19T07:05:06 jaro: that being said, here's how to do it: 2009-02-19T07:05:27 svn co https://svn.plone.org/svn/plone/plonenext/3.3/ ; python2.4 bootstrap.py; bin/buildout ... 2009-02-19T07:06:45 Mytux: sorry, I don't know much about that stuff ... 2009-02-19T07:09:57 MatthewWilkes has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T07:14:39 sixstring has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T07:22:01 jham: enable debug mode in portal_css? ... 2009-02-19T07:32:56 jham: oh, sorry ... 2009-02-19T07:33:11 jham: it needs to be named ploneCustom.css to be picked up automatically ... 2009-02-19T07:33:26 jham: if not, you need to add stylesheet.css to the portal_css ... 2009-02-19T07:34:05 rwat: Python 2.4 for most of them ... 2009-02-19T07:34:30 rwat: README.txt usually has the gory details ... 2009-02-19T07:38:00 rwat: Plone 4 is using Python 2.6 ... 2009-02-19T07:38:18 2.5 may work, but not officially supported 2009-02-19T07:38:30 so, proceed at own risk etc 2009-02-19T07:38:30 ;) ... 2009-02-19T07:42:30 Gut level reaction, please: I want to add a simple checkbox to all Content types. Should I use SchemaExtender or Annotations? ... 2009-02-19T07:44:03 * sixstring passes FinnArild a cup of ruby. ... 2009-02-19T07:48:03 haha ... 2009-02-19T07:50:26 kevin7kal has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T07:52:21 kevin7kal has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T07:53:32 kevin7kal has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T08:01:06 tpederson: http://paste.plone.org/26428 ... 2009-02-19T08:05:22 pumazi has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T08:06:43 duffyd: portal_workflow.getActionInfo(...) ? ... 2009-02-19T08:07:12 np. ... 2009-02-19T08:08:01 duffyd: time for sleep ... 2009-02-19T08:08:29 duffyd: wimpy, it's 5am here, and I'm just getting into the groove ;) ... 2009-02-19T08:08:47 tpederson: oh, you can't do dynamic content in kupu ... 2009-02-19T08:08:59 tpederson: by design ... 2009-02-19T08:09:22 duffyd: yeah, same here — but only for myself, I guess 2009-02-19T08:10:26 OK, to answer my own question, it looks like SchemaExtender uses Annotations. So, use SchemaExtender. ... 2009-02-19T08:10:45 tpederson: yes 2009-02-19T08:10:59 tpederson: and then set it as default_page in that location ... 2009-02-19T08:11:17 tpederson: or name it index_html and put it where you need it ... 2009-02-19T08:12:04 Now, I wonder how ContentMirror will handle my schema extensions...? ... 2009-02-19T08:13:34 zedr: are you on Plone 3.x? ... 2009-02-19T08:15:02 zedr: use the Intranet workflow instead, that's what it's for 2009-02-19T08:15:05 :) ... 2009-02-19T08:15:33 it says that in the howto too ... 2009-02-19T08:20:20 ? 2009-02-19T08:20:36 1. go to the location where you need the template 2009-02-19T08:20:48 2. append /manage_main to the url to get to the ZMI ... 2009-02-19T08:20:54 3. add Page Template ... 2009-02-19T08:21:07 4. paste in the code ... 2009-02-19T08:21:18 sorry, 3.5 name it index_html ... 2009-02-19T08:22:27 esteele has joined #plone 2009-02-19T08:22:38 AsigotTech: that's not as bad as 'ls -lasF' ... 2009-02-19T08:23:26 tpederson: the Zope book :) 2009-02-19T08:23:36 http://docs.zope.org/zope2book/ 2009-02-19T08:23:48 anyway, that's a bit much to swallow in one sitting ;) ... 2009-02-19T08:24:18 you're not supposed to read it all :) 2009-02-19T08:24:24 treat it more like a reference ... 2009-02-19T08:25:10 tpederson: in short, index_html is the default method that gets called on a folder, and if it doesn't exist, Plone takes over and shows contents etc ... 2009-02-19T08:25:38 tpederson: this is a workaround for something that is not as easy as it should be 2009-02-19T08:25:51 All This Will Be Fixed in Plone 4™ 2009-02-19T08:25:52 :P ... 2009-02-19T08:29:43 limi|ploneorg: You're certainly up early today. ... 2009-02-19T08:30:32 Is ArchGenXML still alive and well? 2009-02-19T08:30:50 esteele: late. ;) 2009-02-19T08:30:57 limi|ploneorg: Ah. :) ... 2009-02-19T08:31:07 sixstring: alive, kind of — it was never well ;) 2009-02-19T08:31:30 sixstring: but until Dexterity lands in a substantive manner, it's a good newbie tool ... 2009-02-19T08:31:54 limi|ploneorg: thanks, from an Archetypes newbie. 2009-02-19T08:32:02 :) ... 2009-02-19T08:32:19 sixstring: http://uml.joelburton.com ... 2009-02-19T08:32:41 cjj: ;) ... 2009-02-19T08:32:51 holy cow, batman! that's totally web 2.0 2009-02-19T08:33:02 yeah, UML is very web 2.0 ;) ... 2009-02-19T08:34:27 Deichi: have you considered taking a shower? ;) ... 2009-02-19T08:38:25 Deichi: Are you getting errors or is it just that nothing's happening? ... 2009-02-19T08:40:49 Deichi: Are you sure that your browser/configure.zcml is getting loaded? ... 2009-02-19T08:42:34 Deichi: So, the new template is in portal_view_customizations? 2009-02-19T08:42:55 Or not? ... 2009-02-19T08:53:07 Deichi: Ah, thanks. ... 2009-02-19T08:54:21 Deichi: And for what it's worth, it doesn't look like anything has been (intentionally) changed regarding the portletRenderer directive. ... 2009-02-19T08:56:02 Deichi: So, the new template is there in p_v_c, just not being used when the theme is installed. ... 2009-02-19T08:57:38 Deichi: I'm wondering if your browser layer is getting applied... ... 2009-02-19T08:58:34 catherine-w has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T08:59:14 Deichi: Ah, I see. 2009-02-19T08:59:25 Deichi: Sorry. Haven't had my coffee yet this morning. ... 2009-02-19T09:05:55 Deichi: Just conferring with a few people here... ... 2009-02-19T09:12:58 RobZoneNet has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T09:13:24 Deichi: No good ideas from anyone here about the portletrenderer problem, sorry. You may have to resort to overriding the class too. 2009-02-19T09:13:47 Anyone else in here have experience with the portletRenderer directive? ... 2009-02-19T09:14:41 esteele is now known as esteele|away ... 2009-02-19T09:15:40 JimmyL: http://new.plone.org/documentation/manual/upgrade-guide/version/upgrading-from-3-x-to-3.2 ... 2009-02-19T09:17:55 * limi|ploneorg welcomes Japan to plone.org forums: http://plone.org/support/region/jp ... 2009-02-19T09:21:47 kevin7kal_ has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T09:24:04 * cjj lol at snarfbot msg 2009-02-19T09:24:29 catherine-w has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T09:27:06 kevin7kal has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T09:29:49 michaelmiller has joined #plone 2009-02-19T09:30:12 esteele|away is now known as esteele ... 2009-02-19T09:35:04 reinout has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T09:36:30 catherine-w has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T09:41:51 ErikRose has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T09:47:05 Yay macagua! ... 2009-02-19T09:50:00 catherine-w has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T09:51:49 catherine-w has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T09:54:40 * limi|ploneorg senses a slight disturbance in the force ... 2009-02-19T09:54:49 * limi|ploneorg notices new favicon on plone.org ;) ... 2009-02-19T09:56:25 the first visible sign of the upcoming plone.orgcalypse! 2009-02-19T09:56:50 well, the second, technically 2009-02-19T09:57:00 the docs section changed slightly ;) ... 2009-02-19T09:58:54 dcnoye has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T10:00:06 :D ... 2009-02-19T10:00:21 * limi|ploneorg prefers to keep people guessing ... 2009-02-19T10:01:46 muhaha ... 2009-02-19T10:02:35 kevin7kal_ has quit IRC 2009-02-19T10:02:50 esteele_ has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T10:04:00 esteele has quit IRC 2009-02-19T10:04:04 esteele_ is now known as esteele 2009-02-19T10:04:09 dcnoye_ has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T10:16:06 dcnoye__ has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T10:17:21 dcnoye has quit IRC 2009-02-19T10:17:29 limi|ploneorg: Technically, the first visible sign was the portal_tabs changing ... 2009-02-19T10:17:48 MatthewWilkes: damn you! foiled again! 2009-02-19T10:18:01 dcnoye__ has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T10:19:47 dcnoye has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T10:25:32 MatthewWilkes is now known as mwilkes|call ... 2009-02-19T10:27:11 kevin7kal has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T10:29:47 dcnoye_ has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T10:34:39 calvinhp: Want to do some training at Plone Symposium East? *nudge* :-) ... 2009-02-19T10:37:02 hazmat: University Park 2009-02-19T10:37:07 Two gates of glory! 2009-02-19T10:37:18 A mile away form the venue, though 2009-02-19T10:37:40 It'll be summer, too, so the Dash-8s shouldn't even crash. ... 2009-02-19T10:37:56 calvinhp: Rock on. :-) 2009-02-19T10:38:35 We're trying to get a ride board going, too, if you want to split it: https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/wiki/PloneSymposiumEast2009/MessageBoard ... 2009-02-19T10:39:10 Boy, I might drive over there just to join you. ;-) ... 2009-02-19T10:39:48 calvinhp: only one keg? ... 2009-02-19T10:39:49 lol ... 2009-02-19T10:39:58 you're slowing down... ... 2009-02-19T10:47:00 jonstahl has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T10:48:55 aclark! 2009-02-19T10:49:29 Both of you! ... 2009-02-19T10:52:37 evilbungle: Take a look at the Security tab in the ZMI at the root of a Plone site. 2009-02-19T10:52:50 jluvsu2: One more RV will blend right in. ;-) ... 2009-02-19T10:53:05 I know where you can park it for free, too. ... 2009-02-19T10:53:42 Ah. ... 2009-02-19T10:55:33 ace808: Isn't there a portal_types jigger you can frob to set the default view? ... 2009-02-19T10:56:20 Woo, 37 opters in to logging so far! ... 2009-02-19T10:57:03 ErikRose: 38 now ;) ... 2009-02-19T10:57:44 catherine-w has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T10:58:04 aclark: It's in the topic. :) ... 2009-02-19T10:58:17 aclark: /msg SnarfBot logging on #plone 2009-02-19T10:58:36 39 now 2009-02-19T10:58:44 Yay! 2009-02-19T10:58:45 ace808: I love ArchGenXML (not). There are places you can code where it won't be paved over. ... 2009-02-19T10:59:42 ace808: I love GenericSetup, too. ... 2009-02-19T11:06:34 * aclark prepares to send first logged über-channel greeting... 2009-02-19T11:06:37 everyone! 2009-02-19T11:06:45 aclark! = 2009-02-19T11:07:06 mwilkes|call: You totally get a cake. ... 2009-02-19T11:10:06 has anybody written a portal_transform that obfuscates email addresses in a richtext field? ... 2009-02-19T11:11:33 * ErikRose could go for a game of Centipede. ... 2009-02-19T11:12:10 The strategy guide is fascinating: http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Centipede/Walkthrough ... 2009-02-19T11:12:51 SteveM has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T11:13:21 ttemple: Sounds like CSSManager ... 2009-02-19T11:15:21 Thanks, RobZoneNet :-) 2009-02-19T11:15:27 :) 2009-02-19T11:15:27 Or "Thank RobZoneNet " ... 2009-02-19T11:18:12 ttemple: not yet... the next version almost has that :) ... 2009-02-19T11:18:22 caching is a problem ... 2009-02-19T11:20:38 ttemple: we at weblion are trying to get all these kinds of things working. We are sooo close. ... 2009-02-19T11:21:09 and sixfeet up ;) 2009-02-19T11:21:17 and a few others :) ... 2009-02-19T11:21:40 jluvsu2: yours is called lineage right? ... 2009-02-19T11:22:23 jluvsu2: are there caching issues? ... 2009-02-19T11:22:34 jluvsu2: or do you get rid of base_props ... 2009-02-19T11:23:32 AsigotTech: are you using the trunk version the themeswitcher? ... 2009-02-19T11:23:56 ttemple: we are open source so its free :) ... 2009-02-19T11:25:28 AsigotTech: let me know if you can fix anything, i'd be glad to hear any of my problems as well :) ... 2009-02-19T11:26:10 AsigotTech: it's problems rather :P ... 2009-02-19T11:31:39 RobZoneNet: do you have a tracker with the current issues for themetweaker? 2009-02-19T11:31:54 ace808: Sounds like your installation routine needs to reindex. 2009-02-19T11:32:06 we ran into a recursion error with browser layer ... 2009-02-19T11:35:18 claytron: that should be on this page: https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/roadmap ... 2009-02-19T11:35:53 dcnoye: danke ... 2009-02-19T11:37:13 aha ... 2009-02-19T11:37:23 claytron: are you using the trunk? 2009-02-19T11:37:34 claytron: we don't have a component yet. I will put one up today. we sort of stopped for a small time due to the caching issues 2009-02-19T11:37:41 claytron: Bitte schön! ... 2009-02-19T11:38:18 RobZoneNet: there is a themeswitcher component 2009-02-19T11:38:23 yes ... 2009-02-19T11:38:52 https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/report/11?page=3 claytron ... 2009-02-19T11:40:17 claytron: similar to this error? https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/ticket/1030 2009-02-19T11:40:18 pumazi: i believe we were using the trunk ... 2009-02-19T11:41:35 pumazi: actually it looks like we may have been using the last release on pypi 2009-02-19T11:41:45 * claytron will try the trunk ... 2009-02-19T11:42:00 ttemple: we work for Penn State 2009-02-19T11:42:25 claytron: i haven't updated the pypi release yet, i should do that and will later today perhaps ... 2009-02-19T11:42:27 ttemple: i think there is 8 of us now ... 2009-02-19T11:42:45 ttemple: not students ... 2009-02-19T11:43:25 pumazi: cool, i probably won't work on the project that requires it today, but i'll report any issues I find ... 2009-02-19T11:44:00 ttemple: http://weblion.psu.edu/ we help units within Penn State make their sites and applications 2009-02-19T11:44:02 claytron: cool, thanks :) ... 2009-02-19T11:45:33 disko_ has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T11:47:21 AsigotTech: i don't 2009-02-19T11:47:22 heh ... 2009-02-19T11:59:56 esteele is now known as esteele|away ... 2009-02-19T12:04:19 ErikRose has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T12:08:49 jonstahl has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T12:10:32 disko has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T12:19:20 jonstahl has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T12:25:27 davisagli has joined #plone 2009-02-19T12:25:46 malthe is now known as malthe|away ... 2009-02-19T12:29:29 MJ has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T12:34:31 ErikRose has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T12:39:35 cbcunc: mount in timetravel mode and zexp it if there is no undo at all ... 2009-02-19T12:40:42 MatthewWilkes: Noticed the contribution from HRM's Govt via Team Rubber ;) Thanks! ... 2009-02-19T12:41:39 SteveM: HRH* ;) 2009-02-19T12:42:01 MatthewWilkes: Just like a Yank: get my honorifics wrong. 2009-02-19T12:42:15 SteveM: hehe, we did have fun trying to decide how to write that field ... 2009-02-19T12:43:51 qsrv: The Zope Book. 2009-02-19T12:44:18 SteveM: Last Translator: An Officer of the government of Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith. 2009-02-19T12:44:23 That'd likely be overkill 2009-02-19T12:44:49 MatthewWilkes: Maybe literally. Folks might choke laughing. ... 2009-02-19T12:45:45 qsrv: http://docs.zope.org/zope2book/SearchingZCatalog.html 2009-02-19T12:45:53 * aclark cheers hanno 2009-02-19T12:46:14 Baaah! ... 2009-02-19T12:47:31 SteveM: Shame there weren't many phrases we got translated, will add any more we get on future projects 2009-02-19T12:47:45 :) ... 2009-02-19T12:51:09 jonstahl_ has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T12:51:50 I hope this gets finished and published soon: http://plone.org/documentation/how-to/plone-developer-cheatsheet ... 2009-02-19T12:52:00 jonstahl has quit IRC 2009-02-19T12:52:04 jonstahl_ is now known as jonstahl ... 2009-02-19T12:52:27 dcnoye is now known as dcnoye|lunch ... 2009-02-19T12:52:48 moo--- has quit IRC 2009-02-19T12:52:55 AsigotTech: python itself is a cheat, really. but that's good for us programmers. :) ... 2009-02-19T12:53:56 maurits has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T12:54:55 disko has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T12:56:24 r0ver: you not joining plone marketing committee call? ... 2009-02-19T13:00:38 ttemple: it would work for the first save. (just delete base_properties from custom folder) but not for more then one save ... 2009-02-19T13:04:10 ttemple: good idea ... 2009-02-19T13:05:05 cbcunc! 2009-02-19T13:05:21 cbcunc: have you opted in for irc logging? ... 2009-02-19T13:05:33 cbcunc: nice :-) ... 2009-02-19T13:05:59 cbcunc: http://bit.ly/VZTH3 ... 2009-02-19T13:06:03 right ... 2009-02-19T13:06:33 esteele|away is now known as esteele ... 2009-02-19T13:07:42 wooda! i see you are at it again with the symposium :-) ... 2009-02-19T13:08:09 -= THIS MESSAGE NOT LOGGED =- ... 2009-02-19T13:08:31 aclark: who me? 2009-02-19T13:08:36 ErikRose_ has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T13:09:34 malthe|away has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T13:12:10 -= THIS MESSAGE NOT LOGGED =- ... 2009-02-19T13:13:14 AsigotTech: Why would you say that? You know the CIA use Plone, they may have spies here. Breaking in's a bad idea. 2009-02-19T13:13:24 -= THIS MESSAGE NOT LOGGED =- 2009-02-19T13:13:31 Yeah, and pink is a bad color for staplers. 2009-02-19T13:13:43 wooda: would love to, but working on the $$$ situation 2009-02-19T13:13:57 must... scale... organization :-) ... 2009-02-19T13:14:10 -= THIS MESSAGE NOT LOGGED =- 2009-02-19T13:14:10 aclark: Just get some graduates ;) 2009-02-19T13:14:11 * AsigotTech wwops,, hides under his covers ... 2009-02-19T13:14:47 michaelmiller has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T13:15:35 -= THIS MESSAGE NOT LOGGED =- 2009-02-19T13:15:56 Logging is kicking in already. http://www.google.com/search?q=plone+wurfl 2009-02-19T13:15:56 Is that useful? I don't know. But it's there... ;) 2009-02-19T13:16:14 cbcunc: Thank you! 2009-02-19T13:16:38 esteele: Did you run into that by accident or go looking for it? ... 2009-02-19T13:17:06 * cjj thinks its going to be weird to have the answers without the questions on logging... ... 2009-02-19T13:17:12 ErikRose: Purely looking for it. That's an intentionally obscure phrase. :P 2009-02-19T13:17:18 * ErikRose_ is open to suggestions. ... 2009-02-19T13:17:23 Ah. :-) ... 2009-02-19T13:17:45 I'm just impressed that yesterday's log is in the serps already. 2009-02-19T13:17:58 Google spiders us like mad. 2009-02-19T13:18:24 sixstring has quit IRC 2009-02-19T13:19:04 jluvsu2: not as radical as red staplers 2009-02-19T13:19:07 Would it be an idea to use names but replace them on a daily basis so the logs make more sense ? ... 2009-02-19T13:19:56 * AsigotTech scratches head , red shoes ? 2009-02-19T13:20:08 jluvsu2: click them together three times while chanting "there's no place like home" 2009-02-19T13:20:17 AsigotTech: You mean like record everything but anonymize it? 2009-02-19T13:20:21 sixstring has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T13:20:35 hehe, jluvsu2 2009-02-19T13:21:33 jluvsu2: so you moved to fortville? ... 2009-02-19T13:21:46 ErikRose: yes , swop out names for diffrent ones changing them each day ... 2009-02-19T13:21:57 izzat where claytron is? ... 2009-02-19T13:22:19 * cbcunc can't keep track of all the cow towns around indy 2009-02-19T13:22:24 AsigotTech: If so, I've considered that, but I didn't think people would go for it. It would still be possible to unintentionally leak sensitive stuff, even if your name wasn't attached. (Though I guess the question arises: should you be blurting sensitive stuff onto IRC anyway? ;-)) ... 2009-02-19T13:22:47 cbcunc: yeah it's nuts i had a friend in russiaville, which is north of kokomo which is north of indy ... 2009-02-19T13:23:01 ahahah! ... 2009-02-19T13:24:45 AsigotTech: Why don't you stick a comment on http://weblion.psu.edu/news/preserve-your-plone-wisdom-with-opt-in-logging voicing your vote. Who knows what kind of support will emerge? ... 2009-02-19T13:27:38 -= THIS MESSAGE NOT LOGGED =- 2009-02-19T13:28:21 -= THIS MESSAGE NOT LOGGED =- 2009-02-19T13:29:08 The rsyncs? No. The things we just said? Not really. You can tell you said something, but you can't tell what. 2009-02-19T13:29:26 It's kind of a silly choice on the part of the supybot people, and I may change it. ... 2009-02-19T13:30:01 ErikRose: will do, logging is a good idea fr the future, and for recording MacYEt's beautiful words ... 2009-02-19T13:30:34 evilbungle: /msg SnarfBot logging on #plone 2009-02-19T13:30:37 Yeah, with a big enough corpus, we can automate MacYET (further). ;-) ... 2009-02-19T13:30:55 MacYetBot! 2009-02-19T13:30:57 ErikRose: Genetic algorithms ftw. isBecomingGermanReward = 10 ... 2009-02-19T13:31:02 Oh the Joy :) he will be pleased :) ... 2009-02-19T13:31:26 macyet has already been automated. ask MatthewWilkes for a demonstration. ;-) 2009-02-19T13:31:29 MatthewWilkes: Maybe neural nets. Do you really want all the random iterations blown into the channel? hehe 2009-02-19T13:31:39 jluvsu2: all it has to do is ask if you've read the documentation anytime a question is asked. ... 2009-02-19T13:32:32 ErikRose: The issue is, he's in #zope.de too - do we train 2 bots or a translation algo? 2009-02-19T13:32:33 There's a non-bot version of MacYET? ;-) ... 2009-02-19T13:32:41 MatthewWilkes: already done ... 2009-02-19T13:33:08 That polite, pleasant German fellow I met is obviously the quiet genius behind the bot, not the man directly behind the nick. 2009-02-19T13:33:18 cbcunc: i don't know. it's pretty smart with that letmegooglethatforyou.com stuff. ... 2009-02-19T13:33:45 'lo :) 2009-02-19T13:33:48 sixstring: import random 2009-02-19T13:34:10 Guest29765: That seems to be a limiting feature with openid right now. we'd like to be able to grant specific ids certain roles, but they all come across as one user. 2009-02-19T13:34:52 Guest29765: There should be nothing wrong with letting anybody authenticate; just don't give any privs to the Authenticated role. 2009-02-19T13:35:18 sixstring: Really? That's nasty. ... 2009-02-19T13:35:46 ErikRose_: yes, wish it were better. we'd love to use openid for authentication. 2009-02-19T13:35:55 Guest29765: not sure about that, but maybe. 2009-02-19T13:36:07 sixstring: Maybe there's a mod_openid you could use with WebServerAuth? 2009-02-19T13:36:25 ErikRose_: ahh, now there's a thought 2009-02-19T13:36:36 Guest29765: It shouldn't. If it does, it should be fixed. 2009-02-19T13:37:06 Or you can steal whatever chunks from WebServerAuth and fix OpenID with them. Lord knows I did the opposite. ... 2009-02-19T13:37:37 there's no reason we shouldn't be able to create a user account the first time someone logs in with openid, right? ... 2009-02-19T13:37:47 and then assign permissions to that normally. 2009-02-19T13:38:11 jonstahl: I went that route with AutoMemberMaker, but it was unpopular. However, you should be able to manually make a user with the requisite ID. 2009-02-19T13:38:14 * sixstring will give donuts to whoever fixes OpenID. 2009-02-19T13:38:30 sixstring: it will probably take more than donuts. :-P 2009-02-19T13:38:43 Depends. How many donuts? 2009-02-19T13:38:44 ErikRose: what was unpopular about it? 2009-02-19T13:38:50 we'll discuss that at Plone Conf 2009. 2009-02-19T13:38:50 beer filled donuts? 2009-02-19T13:38:54 ooh! 2009-02-19T13:39:00 jonstahl: It tended to clutter up the U&G control panel with users nobody cared about. 2009-02-19T13:39:13 RobZoneNet: i don't know. somehow that just doesn't sound all that tasty. 2009-02-19T13:39:14 ErikRose_: aha. ... 2009-02-19T13:39:17 MatthewWilkes has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T13:39:33 jonstahl: I mean, we have like 100K users in our Kerberos thingy. ... 2009-02-19T13:40:10 catherine-w has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T13:41:07 andym: if it were anybody but you, I'd say, Sure it can! But why do you say that? 2009-02-19T13:41:11 sm: pretty much, the problem at it's core is that i'm stuck consulting when i should be growing the biz, but we are making slow/steady progress :-) 2009-02-19T13:41:27 sm: i can't stop working to focus on growth, according to the boss ;-) ... 2009-02-19T13:41:48 andym: ah, so you're saying the problem is with OpenId, not with Plone? 2009-02-19T13:41:57 sm: :-) ... 2009-02-19T13:42:09 Google Updater freaks me out. ... 2009-02-19T13:42:15 andym: do you have a rant out there on a blog somewhere? my boss would like to know 2009-02-19T13:42:17 * ErikRose_ reverts to an older version of Google Earth. 2009-02-19T13:42:33 ErikRose_: what? Google Middle Ages? ... 2009-02-19T13:42:45 Google Planetary Nebula 2009-02-19T13:43:07 ErikRose: read about that, does nobody know how to use firewalls anymore :) ? ... 2009-02-19T13:43:40 I'm not sure how app-level firewalling works in OS X. 2009-02-19T13:43:51 I'm assuming it doesn't use an easy-to-filter port. ... 2009-02-19T13:44:54 andym: thx. reading now... ... 2009-02-19T13:45:03 sm: we've got a few "core" clients that make up most of our monthly income so i'm usually always stuck on something related to that 2009-02-19T13:45:06 ErikRose: my networks behind €29,000 hardware firewalls :) ... 2009-02-19T13:45:24 Ah, I guess you could filter based on destination. Silly me. 2009-02-19T13:45:28 sm: at the same time, we do all these one-offs, and scope out new "big" projects, etc. gets to be a real zoo ... 2009-02-19T13:45:36 AsigotTech: Wow. 2009-02-19T13:45:38 ErikRose: yep 2009-02-19T13:45:47 sm: all with email communication between two people trying to keep things going ... 2009-02-19T13:46:58 FFS, does everything have to log me out every time I change IP addresses? ... 2009-02-19T13:47:41 hillsy has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T13:49:38 cjj has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T13:50:22 michaelmiller has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T13:51:23 sm: But remember, those are probably *stupid* customers, and those can be high-maintenance. :-) ... 2009-02-19T13:52:13 Really? I find the smart ones contribute patches enough to pay their way. ... 2009-02-19T13:53:04 Point taken. ... 2009-02-19T13:54:39 sm: hah ... 2009-02-19T13:54:58 Buy staplers. ... 2009-02-19T13:55:30 spaleyAE:with that amount of customers paying 40 each, hiring a fibre channel, a couple of DNS servers and buying a cuple of hosting servers its easy enough money, three guys tops can handle it :) ... 2009-02-19T13:55:54 sm: i've always been suspicious of the hosting business as a time/money suck... but i can get used to $280K a month for hosting static sites :-) 2009-02-19T13:56:08 andym: openid still looks pretty doggone good to me. we're pondering our own openid provider service for our people, so that all our systems can authenticate that way. sure beats maintaining a bazillion separate ACLs. 2009-02-19T13:56:10 Likewise. It seems easy to commoditize. ... 2009-02-19T13:56:39 spaleyAE: shhhh, don't tell that guy's customers! :-) 2009-02-19T13:56:41 spaleyAE: we give them cpanels and charge them for support, we let it slide if it is a real problem but at €65 an hour they learn.. ... 2009-02-19T13:56:53 AsigotTech: :-) ... 2009-02-19T13:57:28 spaleyAE: one of them, static and Plone business hsting ... 2009-02-19T13:57:39 but not mine 2009-02-19T13:57:43 sm: right, i'm starting to dabble in plone hosting like SFU, Jarn, etc ... 2009-02-19T13:58:05 I mean I do hosting but its not my cmpany being discused :) ... 2009-02-19T13:58:26 spaleyAE: Plone hosting ? ... 2009-02-19T13:58:39 andym: we've got 9000+ users. we don't want to force them to set up their own open ids. ... 2009-02-19T13:58:49 woops 2009-02-19T13:58:52 evilbungle has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T14:02:16 sm: add a domain name and email and people think its a good deal ... 2009-02-19T14:03:40 gaaa, does anybody have any knowlege of p4a.subtyper 1.1.0 ? its driving me nuets right now ... 2009-02-19T14:03:43 nuts 2009-02-19T14:03:47 big ones ... 2009-02-19T14:04:52 encolpe: it was a pain under ubuntu ... 2009-02-19T14:05:25 encople: using Plones easy_install ? ... 2009-02-19T14:06:47 encolpe: how are you installing it ? ... 2009-02-19T14:07:24 SteveM has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T14:08:53 encolpe: try using the easy_install tat comes with Plone ... 2009-02-19T14:09:31 can you paste the error ? ... 2009-02-19T14:10:12 sixstring is now known as sixstring|mtg 2009-02-19T14:10:27 encolope: apt-get install tk-devel 2009-02-19T14:10:55 * AsigotTech bows to cbcunc typing faster then him 2009-02-19T14:11:19 * cbcunc bows to AsigotTech for saving his ass today 2009-02-19T14:11:41 encolpe: Better still, aptitude install tk-devel. ... 2009-02-19T14:12:20 ErikRose: Aptitude is rather friendly isnt it :)? ... 2009-02-19T14:12:41 Yep, and it remembers what was installed to meet dependencies and what you explicitly requested. ... 2009-02-19T14:13:03 encolpe: dead ? 2009-02-19T14:13:10 shhhh. don't tell wiggy dselect is dead 2009-02-19T14:13:10 He's kidding. ... 2009-02-19T14:13:24 Oh, I read "I like dselect". ... 2009-02-19T14:14:48 try downloding the tar tk8.4-dev and installing it directly to your site packages or symlink it there ... 2009-02-19T14:15:07 ErikRose_ has quit IRC 2009-02-19T14:15:13 ErikRose_ has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T14:17:56 teix has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T14:17:57 encolpe: looks like yu do not have the complete dev libs but imaging thinks you do ... 2009-02-19T14:19:24 geojeff has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T14:19:25 geojeff_ has joined #plone 2009-02-19T14:19:39 encolpe: try downloading a newer package then is in the repos and installing yourself ... 2009-02-19T14:21:12 encolpe: good :) ... 2009-02-19T14:22:18 encolpe: if it continues try adding the full path to the makefile under INCLUDE ... 2009-02-19T14:22:45 * AsigotTech late again :( ... 2009-02-19T14:23:52 * AsigotTech IDynamicallyViewable hates me ... 2009-02-19T14:28:33 * jonstahl wonders if plone.app.commenting will ever see the light of day. ... 2009-02-19T14:36:15 spaleyAE: that's my question. ;-) 2009-02-19T14:36:19 * jonstahl fears not. 2009-02-19T14:36:28 which is too bad, because it looks like quite a bit got done. 2009-02-19T14:37:15 SteveM has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T14:37:25 dcnoye has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T14:42:22 ErikRose_ has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T14:45:54 disko has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T14:46:52 display:none; 2009-02-19T14:46:59 FinnArild: Plone 3? ... 2009-02-19T14:47:44 FinnArild: It's in pulic.ccc. I've been adding some override codi plonecustomcss ... 2009-02-19T14:48:30 let me find my code ... 2009-02-19T14:48:53 FinnArild: try removing the url to the gif and leaving transparent ... 2009-02-19T14:49:52 #content a.link-external { background: transparent ; padding: opx;} ? ... 2009-02-19T14:49:54 disko has quit IRC 2009-02-19T14:49:55 FinnArild: http://paste.plone.org/26438 ... 2009-02-19T14:51:14 FinnArild: the code I just pasted workd for me... ... 2009-02-19T14:52:38 FinnArild: It as JS in Plone 2.5. Moved to css in P3. ... 2009-02-19T14:53:15 I'm going to see if I can't get it respecting the control-panel setting for external link marking. 2009-02-19T14:53:30 * AsigotTech feels silly 2009-02-19T14:53:34 It's a known bug that it's not. 2009-02-19T14:53:37 I tought you meant the globe ... 2009-02-19T14:54:11 dcnoye|lunch has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T14:54:37 * AsigotTech bows to SteveM's excellenyunderstanding ... 2009-02-19T14:56:18 FiinArild: ohhh funtime, I have a new kitten, hold one ... 2009-02-19T14:56:38 vedawms! ... 2009-02-19T14:58:20 FinnArild: just emailed you pics :) ... 2009-02-19T15:03:51 jonstahl is now known as jon|mtg 2009-02-19T15:03:59 AsigotTech has left #plone 2009-02-19T15:04:05 AsigotTech has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T15:08:13 ErikRose, do I have to send a message to SnarfBot everytime I log in to freenode? ... 2009-02-19T15:08:43 or is it a one time thing? 2009-02-19T15:09:38 cbcunc: It's a one time thing. It'll remember the last command (on or off) that you sent. ... 2009-02-19T15:10:41 yep ;) ... 2009-02-19T15:12:00 davisagli is now known as davi|away ... 2009-02-19T15:14:28 Shameless plug for an upcoming regional Plone Symposium in May, in State College PA.... Registration is open! http://tinyurl.com/plonesymposium2009-register ... 2009-02-19T15:14:42 Register by April 20 and get an earlybird discount 2009-02-19T15:15:07 We're also looking for proposals for talks and training sessions on all things Plone ... 2009-02-19T15:16:09 Propose talks here: http://weblion.psu.edu/events/plone-symposium-2009/session-proposal Speakers get a $150 discount on the standard registration price ... 2009-02-19T15:17:00 We're also looking for people to offer training during the 2 days before the symposium. Training could be half a day, a day or 2 days long. Submit your ideas here: http://weblion.psu.edu/events/plone-symposium-2009/training-proposal ... 2009-02-19T15:18:15 catherine-w: will it be online/interactive ? 2009-02-19T15:18:44 AsigotTech: we're planning to stream sessions, I believe, and there will be a backchannel on #weblion 2009-02-19T15:19:01 AsigotTech: but not as good as coming in person :) 2009-02-19T15:20:39 catherine-w: I would truly love to, unfortunatly they will not let me in yur no doubt wonderful country :) ... 2009-02-19T15:21:31 Troy_Plinkit: customize the relevant template 2009-02-19T15:21:48 Troy_Plinkit: it used to be in portal_skins ... 2009-02-19T15:22:43 sixstring|mtg has quit IRC 2009-02-19T15:22:47 Troy_Plinkit: maybe portal_skins/plone_templates/rss_template ? ... 2009-02-19T15:25:20 AsigotTech: What sort of interactivity are you looking for? ... 2009-02-19T15:26:11 esteele: streaming/ possibly a shared whiteboard etc ... 2009-02-19T15:32:05 Troy_Plinkit: as andym says ... 2009-02-19T15:32:20 pumazi has quit IRC 2009-02-19T15:32:54 sneezewort: if you have a product on the filesystem 2009-02-19T15:33:48 sneezewort: it will have a browser folder.. and a configure.zcml in it. This product should of been made with paster 2009-02-19T15:33:48 disko has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T15:35:11 disko has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T15:35:33 Troy_Plinkit: btw those are css classes (they start with a .) not ids (which start with a #) ... 2009-02-19T15:35:43 sneezewort: did you read only this page? ... 2009-02-19T15:36:21 https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/wiki/CreateAPloneThreeThemeProduct should be read first ... 2009-02-19T15:37:28 sneezewort: you will have to make changes to a few files. viewlets.xml, that configure.zcml file for sure ... 2009-02-19T15:38:30 vedawms: yes, we did ... 2009-02-19T15:38:41 vedawms: as in, we bought a copy ... 2009-02-19T15:39:08 nice vedawms 2009-02-19T15:39:14 Yes, should speed up the learning curve a lot ... 2009-02-19T15:40:12 vedawms: are you thinking of offering training at Plone Symposium East in May? ... 2009-02-19T15:41:22 vedawms: Sure. Conference proposals welcome http://weblion.psu.edu/events/plone-symposium-2009/session-proposal ... 2009-02-19T15:42:13 vedawms: that's for the symposium 2009-02-19T15:42:28 * catherine-w meant symposium, not conference ... 2009-02-19T15:42:40 Not training, the other thing :) ... 2009-02-19T15:43:03 i hope you can come vedawms, i would like to have a theming sprint ... 2009-02-19T15:44:27 AsigotTech has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T15:47:25 Novell's got that kind of volume, doesn't it? ... 2009-02-19T15:56:35 HammerToe: you around? ... 2009-02-19T16:01:38 vedawms: pong ... 2009-02-19T16:02:12 vedawms: For now, I think it does. ... 2009-02-19T16:02:42 vedawms: Where's he trying to add it. ... 2009-02-19T16:02:56 vedawms: Doc Team has less privileges in PHC root. ... 2009-02-19T16:03:34 vedawms: That explains it. The Doc team doesn't have full rights at the root. Ever since the day someone added their own documentation section :( ... 2009-02-19T16:04:41 vedawms: I'd think docteam has full rights there. You could also create a folder at the top of Documentation, then give him rights. ... 2009-02-19T16:04:52 vedawms: Or, give docteam rights. ... 2009-02-19T16:05:05 jluvsu2: Some of these issues will always remain ;) 2009-02-19T16:05:31 jluvsu2: But, we'll be starting from a better place. ... 2009-02-19T16:06:07 vedawms: Let me check. ... 2009-02-19T16:07:40 vedawms: Turns out doc team has no special rights in books. ... 2009-02-19T16:07:59 vedawms: Is this for Practical Plone? ... 2009-02-19T16:08:47 vedawms: Would the right thing to do be to put it in PSC as a project? Then link to it. That gets us automatic issue tracker. 2009-02-19T16:08:53 disko has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T16:09:27 vedawms: Otherwise, we can open a "feedback" folder in PHC, and use PFG. ... 2009-02-19T16:10:32 vedawms: I like the idea of a new folder above lumping this in with something else ... 2009-02-19T16:11:04 vedawms: I'd make it a regular plone folder. Then put forms inside it ... 2009-02-19T16:11:20 Assume we may have more cases in the future ;) ... 2009-02-19T16:12:38 Wow, Plone.Org is quite zippy today. Cheers for the Plone.Org team. ... 2009-02-19T16:14:59 vedawms: Let me check 2009-02-19T16:15:14 maurits has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T16:15:56 ooo favicon.ico on plone.org FTW! ... 2009-02-19T16:16:40 vedawms: You'll need to give him or the doc team some rights. ... 2009-02-19T16:20:30 vedawms: Roles, but not necessarily permissions. ... 2009-02-19T16:21:06 :) 2009-02-19T16:21:34 * calvinhp read wtfstorage 2009-02-19T16:21:49 vedawms: Looks good to me, too. ... 2009-02-19T16:24:27 cewing has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T16:25:09 jluvsu2: it's been cleaned up by jon stahl recently 2009-02-19T16:25:32 jluvsu2: When it comes to creating new folders in PHC, maybe it should be a hassle. ... 2009-02-19T16:25:48 jluvsu2: p3 upgrades were broken in that none of the new roles had workflows associated with them 2009-02-19T16:26:06 jluvsu2: or something like that :-) ... 2009-02-19T16:26:47 jluvsu2, SteveM also add-ons (like PHC) have to support the new roles, I'm told 2009-02-19T16:26:48 jluvsu2: When we switch over to the KB approach, we'll have two groups, docteam and editors. ... 2009-02-19T16:27:22 jluvsu2: aclark heads the sysadmin team. ... 2009-02-19T16:27:31 aclark: Good point! ... 2009-02-19T16:28:45 jluvsu2: i would love to, but i'm off the chain over here 2009-02-19T16:28:48 * aclark looks for the light ... 2009-02-19T16:29:53 esteele has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T16:30:20 * aclark has not seen any shay emails on admins list ... 2009-02-19T16:31:48 aburkhalter: I was just reading the log too quickly ... 2009-02-19T16:38:33 limi|ploneorg is now known as limi|nearby ... 2009-02-19T16:44:36 poppers: there is a section in site setup, iirc, where you can make certain content types non-searchable 2009-02-19T16:44:42 elro: is development ongoing on the collective.lead/tin/mercury set? ... 2009-02-19T16:45:26 elro: I ask because I'm getting started on a project with a postgresql backend and want to use the package that will remain supported going forward ... 2009-02-19T16:46:14 elro: I was told by another plonista that one should simply use z3c.sqlalchemy and skip the collective.xyz set ... 2009-02-19T16:46:41 poppers: well, one way of doing it would be to copy the content type for whatever document it is (say, page) in portal_types, paste, and rename it to some other name (nonSearchablePage, say), then exclude that content type from search 2009-02-19T16:47:03 elro: so z3c.saconfig is the most current, folks-are-using-it way to go? 2009-02-19T16:47:04 poppers: I'm not sure how to exclude the odd document on an ad-hoc basis ... 2009-02-19T16:47:48 poppers: if you control the content type you can add "searchable=False" to the schema... 2009-02-19T16:47:55 geojeff_ has quit IRC 2009-02-19T16:47:58 elro: brb, phone call i must take 2009-02-19T16:48:03 poppers: but again, that affects the whole content type ... 2009-02-19T16:49:10 poppers: you could add something to your robots.txt file.... 2009-02-19T16:49:28 poppers: but I don't think that affects within site search 2009-02-19T16:50:00 poppers: another option would be to expire the item, so it's not picked up by search... but that also makes it disappear from navigation ... 2009-02-19T16:50:46 poppers: if you need it to appear in navigation when it's expired, you could use the CustomNav product if the navigation portlet settings don't let you customize the nav portlet 2009-02-19T16:50:57 poppers: there may be... I'm just saying what I know :) ... 2009-02-19T16:52:51 poppers: excluding from search but including in nav is an interesting use case... ... 2009-02-19T16:54:15 poppers: have you tried expiring them? ... 2009-02-19T16:55:06 dukebody: logged in it says: " A book for people getting started with building websites with Plone 3. Covers installation, site administration, building custom content types, themeing, deployment and more. " 2009-02-19T16:55:30 dukebody: and it also says the same thing when i'm logged out. ... 2009-02-19T16:55:39 are you seeing something else? what is "outdated" to you? ... 2009-02-19T16:56:05 dukebody: nope, it's just a link object. ... 2009-02-19T16:56:14 can't do that with just a link object. 2009-02-19T16:56:41 it's possible that the entire books section should be refactored into richer pages, though. ... 2009-02-19T16:57:29 dukebody: i'm a very concise writer. ;-) suggestions for improvement welcome. ... 2009-02-19T16:59:37 poppers: possibly. If they are still appearing in navigation and search I would try purging the cache ... 2009-02-19T17:00:06 dukebody: ? 2009-02-19T17:00:24 dukebody: pong 2009-02-19T17:00:34 poppers: depends what you're using to cache :) 2009-02-19T17:00:51 poppers: is this a live site? behind squid or varnish? running cachefu? ... 2009-02-19T17:01:37 dukebody: np :-) ... 2009-02-19T17:01:42 poppers: that's odd. Are they really expired? 2009-02-19T17:01:59 poppers: you've disabled browser caching, right? ... 2009-02-19T17:02:27 poppers: huh. OK. Try searching as an anonymous person ... 2009-02-19T17:03:14 dukebody: i'll see what i can squeeze in. 2009-02-19T17:03:14 poppers: my pleasure ... 2009-02-19T17:03:56 poppers: if you don't want them showing up to logged in people / managers in the livesearch results, you'll have to customize a template ... 2009-02-19T17:08:19 poppers: it's accessible if you go directly to it... you may need to alter your scripts to find expired items? ... 2009-02-19T17:08:43 poppers: to illustrate, as an anonymous person, go to the URL of one of your expired items. You should see it ... 2009-02-19T17:11:53 cjj has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T17:14:14 poppers: huh. maybe your catalog search has to state that the item is expired? Just a guess 2009-02-19T17:14:25 markvl has joined #plone 2009-02-19T17:14:28 calvinhp is now known as calvinhp|away ... 2009-02-19T17:17:08 poppers: not sure 2009-02-19T17:17:20 elro: apologies for running out like that. ... 2009-02-19T17:18:00 elro: So if I understand you correctly, s3c.saconfig does more or less what collective.lead did as far as setting up the ORM mappers and the rest? 2009-02-19T17:18:22 sorry. . . z3c.saconfig 2009-02-19T17:18:36 claytron has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T17:19:20 elro: okay. That's no problem. thanks for the clarification. ... 2009-02-19T17:27:45 vedawms: Sure. ... 2009-02-19T17:28:40 vedawms: I'll look into it! ... 2009-02-19T17:29:12 vedawms: ;) ... 2009-02-19T17:31:31 * dukebody 's just opted-in to irc logging! ... 2009-02-19T17:32:48 dixond: were you able to see http://plone.org/documentation/tutorial/using-portal_catalog ? ... 2009-02-19T17:35:29 michaelmiller has quit IRC 2009-02-19T17:35:37 dixond: yup, it's me. 2009-02-19T17:35:54 now unlocked! 2009-02-19T17:36:36 markvl has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T17:46:01 vedawms: Was that error on Plone.Org? ... 2009-02-19T17:46:41 vedawms: Weird. I can't figure out why the tests pass with a problem like that. 2009-02-19T17:46:50 Does anybody know if http://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/8815 is going to be replaced with some mechanism to allow quick customization of things like background-color, font, etc.? Or isn't that needed anymore? Veda? ... 2009-02-19T17:47:00 btw, hello SteveM and vedawms :) 2009-02-19T17:47:08 dukebody! ... 2009-02-19T17:47:22 thanks for the permission thing steve :) ... 2009-02-19T17:48:50 vedawms: nono, we're not documenting that. 2009-02-19T17:49:02 you got confused like hannosh, but the opposed way 2009-02-19T17:49:04 hehehe ... 2009-02-19T17:49:49 but the 3.3 documentation plan is working! ... 2009-02-19T17:49:58 I'm very happy with that. ... 2009-02-19T17:50:24 vedawms: so plone4 default theming will be based on deliverance? ... 2009-02-19T17:51:00 really? all css in deliverence? 2009-02-19T17:51:16 another technology for someone to learn ... 2009-02-19T17:51:25 i think deliverence could be one option ... 2009-02-19T17:51:37 RobZoneNet: it makes it easier, not harder 2009-02-19T17:51:38 it sounds very scary 2009-02-19T17:51:38 i am not afraid of it 2009-02-19T17:51:46 To our clients ... 2009-02-19T17:51:53 people don't have to know Plone to theme it 2009-02-19T17:51:59 "Oh no, not another thing I have to learn" 2009-02-19T17:52:01 is sound scary to me too ... 2009-02-19T17:52:15 * dukebody 's afraid and hides (kidding) ... 2009-02-19T17:52:27 the only issue with Deliverance right now is setup, and we'll handle that part 2009-02-19T17:52:31 i am afraid of people getting lmxml or whatever on their machine ... 2009-02-19T17:52:38 in actual use, it's super easy ... 2009-02-19T17:52:45 lxml is solved now ... 2009-02-19T17:53:04 limi|nearby: using buildout? ... 2009-02-19T17:53:19 it has a recipe doing a static build that always works, yes ... 2009-02-19T17:53:28 limi|nearby: could you do a screencast to show how easy it is ? ... 2009-02-19T17:54:38 so i guess that's a no... ... 2009-02-19T17:55:03 it's not a no ;) 2009-02-19T17:55:10 i like what i saw at the plone conf.. ian was doing some cool stuff 2009-02-19T17:55:10 I just need to fix some other stuff first 2009-02-19T17:55:29 but it's on my list of things to do 2009-02-19T17:55:35 the thing is, I want to make it even simpler ... 2009-02-19T17:55:51 limi|nearby: how so ? 2009-02-19T17:55:53 ie. installing a theme is "drop this zip file here" ... 2009-02-19T17:56:11 simple! ... 2009-02-19T17:56:27 limi|nearby: how about doing that with products too 2009-02-19T17:56:36 dixond: imo http://plone.org/documentation/tutorial/using-portal_catalog/indexes-in-the-portal_catalog could be removed - its contents were already explained in the introduction, more or less. 2009-02-19T17:56:42 drop egg here 2009-02-19T17:57:02 dcnoye: that's how it works, the ZCML slug thing is temporary 2009-02-19T17:57:13 and won't be an issue in Plone 3.3 2009-02-19T17:57:23 limi|nearby: :D 2009-02-19T17:57:30 so ZCML is gone ? 2009-02-19T17:57:45 http://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/8837 ... 2009-02-19T17:58:47 thanks dukebody 2009-02-19T17:58:53 * dukebody thinks he should write more comprehensive statements now he's being logged :S ... 2009-02-19T17:59:15 yay for logging ! ... 2009-02-19T17:59:50 dcnoye: you'll just have to use an entry point in your package pointing to plone. ... 2009-02-19T18:00:39 dukebody: that sounds like it's going to break all current products 2009-02-19T18:00:52 limi i will try to install lxml next week.. and give it a go 2009-02-19T18:00:55 sixstring has joined #plone 2009-02-19T18:00:57 vedawms: PFG problem fixed in svn. I'll roll a beta 3 soon and let aclark know. ... 2009-02-19T18:01:26 ping aclark 2009-02-19T18:01:28 catherine-w has quit IRC 2009-02-19T18:01:30 dcnoye: why? That's only optional. ... 2009-02-19T18:01:50 dukebody: oh 2009-02-19T18:02:03 didn't realize that it was optional 2009-02-19T18:02:40 SteveM is now known as SteveM|away 2009-02-19T18:02:42 as fas as I understand, using this entry point allows you to forget the zcml slug into buildout.conf since the package is automagically discovered and its zcml read. ... 2009-02-19T18:03:41 bbl 2009-02-19T18:03:42 correct 2009-02-19T18:03:55 * dukebody 's glad he got it right :) ... 2009-02-19T18:05:16 dcnoye: pong ... 2009-02-19T18:05:47 aclark: who is doing 4-7 ? 2009-02-19T18:06:08 darci ? ... 2009-02-19T18:06:27 dcnoye: i'd say you should keep going since you are on a roll 2009-02-19T18:06:53 dcnoye: then when you get backed up darcilicious can pick up the slack 2009-02-19T18:06:58 darcilicious: ^^^ ... 2009-02-19T18:07:08 try to get as many as possible up, and i can let the server work all weekend on them 2009-02-19T18:07:16 k 2009-02-19T18:07:18 ciao 2009-02-19T18:07:23 * aclark waves ... 2009-02-19T18:09:59 spaleyAE: yay! ... 2009-02-19T18:10:13 darcilicious: actually you pick up slack when dcnoye gets backed up ... 2009-02-19T18:10:44 darcilicious: got your handbrake ready? 2009-02-19T18:10:52 darcilicious: he's not we are the bottle neck ... 2009-02-19T18:11:01 k 2009-02-19T18:12:30 spaleyAE: great, plone talk scheduled ... 2009-02-19T18:13:27 spaleyAE: http://zpugdc.org/meetings/mtg73 ... 2009-02-19T18:15:34 spaleyAE: help fix it ;-) ... 2009-02-19T18:16:20 spaleyAE: well, Humanitas is a local company and one of their employees is coming to talk about how they use Plone ... 2009-02-19T18:17:26 spaleyAE: http://www.humanitas.com/ 2009-02-19T18:17:43 spaleyAE: that's what they wrote :-) it's really up to us (zpug organizers) to jazz it up 2009-02-19T18:18:09 spaleyAE: hmmm, that reminds me 2009-02-19T18:18:13 cjj is now known as cjj|away ... 2009-02-19T18:18:19 kevin7kal has quit IRC 2009-02-19T18:18:44 spaleyAE: i've been meaning to start my "fix zpugdc.org website" project on openplans, maybe you can help with that 2009-02-19T18:18:59 aclark: don't you ever go home? 2009-02-19T18:19:00 spaleyAE: thanks! the website is a bit of a mess right now and we are also using meetup.com as you know ... 2009-02-19T18:19:23 sixstring: i am home, i try not to leave if possible, but sometimes i have to go to clients :-) ... 2009-02-19T18:19:44 heh right ... 2009-02-19T18:19:54 RobZoneNet has quit IRC 2009-02-19T18:19:57 aclark: ah, i see. i've got wee ones running around at home. hard to work there. :) ... 2009-02-19T18:20:30 sixstring has quit IRC 2009-02-19T18:20:48 spaleyAE: excited you are coming, um let me create this project and i'll invite you. i find that things can get done over time if they have an openplans project associated with them, helps me think ... 2009-02-19T18:22:16 spaleyAE: sure, no pressure, thanks ... 2009-02-19T18:24:13 dcnoye has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T18:24:27 darcilicious: hah, poor darcilicious ... 2009-02-19T18:25:12 darcilicious: you are "on deck", stay tuned please :-) ... 2009-02-19T18:25:38 darcilicious: it may be that you end up doing matt's uploads ... 2009-02-19T18:26:22 darcilicious: right, will do thanks ... 2009-02-19T18:31:19 limi|nearby is now known as limi|dentist ... 2009-02-19T18:32:53 davisagli has left #plone ... 2009-02-19T18:35:06 cjj|away has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T18:43:14 maurits has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T18:51:34 Woo, 43 people opted into logging! 2009-02-19T18:52:59 * ErikRose explores ways to HTMLify the logs so we can link to individual lines and such. ... 2009-02-19T19:00:19 sm: Nothing would please me more. If you can get limi and wiggy and darci to agree, for for it. ;-) ... 2009-02-19T19:00:28 hehe ... 2009-02-19T19:00:51 darci should have a gooddarci and an evildarci so we can preserve her good stuff. ;-) ... 2009-02-19T19:01:06 lol ... 2009-02-19T19:02:38 No, you should go back to SourceSafe. ;-) ... 2009-02-19T19:03:10 MatthewWilkes has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T19:04:37 dukebody has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T19:04:41 * ErikRose should opt that bot in. It keeps changing its number, though. ... 2009-02-19T19:07:07 hi evil|darci! Why evil? 2009-02-19T19:07:26 cjj has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T19:08:35 it feels good to be bad. ... 2009-02-19T19:09:24 ree! ... 2009-02-19T19:11:26 evil|darci: Do blondes actually have more fun? In my experience it's brunettes with outlandishly dyed hair who have more fun ... 2009-02-19T19:12:33 evil|darci: Well, as you say, evil. Equivalent. ... 2009-02-19T19:13:21 I assumed as much :) ... 2009-02-19T19:19:07 evil|darci, is'nt it wonderful, that now all these conversations are logged and archived :) 2009-02-19T19:19:27 * ree just opted in, and goes to see the last line coming up... ... 2009-02-19T19:21:49 see? CIA. :) 2009-02-19T19:22:37 (as reply to sm :) 2009-02-19T19:22:53 MatthewWilkes has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T19:23:47 * ErikRose gives ree a cookie. 2009-02-19T19:23:56 :) 2009-02-19T19:24:00 thanks 2009-02-19T19:24:03 FWIW, the TracRSS supybot plugin is unreliable, too. ... 2009-02-19T19:24:14 One of these years, I'll get around to fixing it. 2009-02-19T19:24:34 what's the principal problem that makes all these unreliable? 2009-02-19T19:25:43 If I knew, I'd have fixed it. ;-) 2009-02-19T19:25:50 Maybe they're just crappy. 2009-02-19T19:26:24 all of them? :) 2009-02-19T19:26:32 Well, both. ... 2009-02-19T19:32:55 * dixond msgs the snarfbot to turn on the magical logging 2009-02-19T19:33:09 * ErikRose hands out another cookie. ... 2009-02-19T19:33:32 * ErikRose opens wide. 2009-02-19T19:33:40 SteveM|away is now known as SteveM 2009-02-19T19:34:39 According to my estimates, I'll run out of space to host the #plone logs in about 82 years, so start sending those donations! 2009-02-19T19:34:39 -= THIS MESSAGE NOT LOGGED =- 2009-02-19T19:34:48 kevin7kal has joined #plone 2009-02-19T19:35:26 hmm interesting - it leaves in a note that the msg was elided? *shrugs* ok, I can live with that :) 2009-02-19T19:35:46 EricRose, you are of course not counting that we will want to mix in some voice and video chat soon 2009-02-19T19:35:48 Yeah, not my idea. I may cange that. 2009-02-19T19:36:02 that will spice up storage requirements a bit :) 2009-02-19T19:36:04 Hehe, I don't *think* SnarfBot accepts DCCs.... :-) 2009-02-19T19:36:12 LOL ... 2009-02-19T19:38:02 leejoramo has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T19:38:16 Subtle, isn't it? 2009-02-19T19:38:35 * ErikRose HIDES SO YOU WON'T NOTICE HIM. 2009-02-19T19:38:37 evil|darci, and indeed itst not, how did you do that? ... 2009-02-19T19:39:12 Okay, okay, I'll move fixing that up my list. :-) ... 2009-02-19T19:40:02 ah, ic 2009-02-19T19:40:21 I wish my evil twin hadn't gone off to work for MS. I could use the extra hands. ... 2009-02-19T19:41:15 jonstahl has quit IRC 2009-02-19T19:41:43 evil|darci, and we have to pay you a ransom to stop. 2009-02-19T19:41:48 * cewing is glad to see evil|darci is living up to her name 2009-02-19T19:41:52 that's evil 2009-02-19T19:42:02 what other evil attitude do you have? 2009-02-19T19:42:16 leejoramo has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T19:42:39 :D 2009-02-19T19:42:55 cewing! 2009-02-19T19:43:02 ErikRose! 2009-02-19T19:43:05 * ree whispers to evil|darci, only if I can be your number too, and I want 40% 2009-02-19T19:43:07 'sup 2009-02-19T19:43:19 number two, lol ... 2009-02-19T19:44:07 * cewing waits quietly for the shark tank and laser beams to show up ... 2009-02-19T19:44:31 :) 2009-02-19T19:46:48 * cewing wonders how it is that emacs knows how to colorize buildout.cfg but bbedit doesn't ... 2009-02-19T19:47:16 whats bbedit? 2009-02-19T19:47:32 ree: :) a mac thing 2009-02-19T19:47:35 ree: Popular text editor for OS X 2009-02-19T19:47:39 ah! :) 2009-02-19T19:47:49 the reason why I don't know it 2009-02-19T19:47:58 * ree uses vim 2009-02-19T19:47:59 moldy: yeah, but emacs is doing it without me adding in the plugin! ... 2009-02-19T19:48:34 It's too hard to write colorization plugins for BBEdit. That's why. 2009-02-19T19:48:45 * cewing bows deeply in ree's direction (and wiggles his pinkies) 2009-02-19T19:48:45 cjj has quit IRC 2009-02-19T19:48:53 ErikRose: :D no kidding! ... 2009-02-19T19:50:31 Anybody feel like updating RedirectionTool localizations? I had to add a few strings with the bulk upload feature. 2009-02-19T19:51:17 I sure hope I'm not expected to wait for 10 l10ns to be updated before I roll a release. 2009-02-19T19:52:25 I wonder if anybody's ever written a manual like "A 30-minute guide to Norwegian for localizers". ... 2009-02-19T19:53:54 * cewing dares ErikRose to update them all with translations from google translate 2009-02-19T19:53:57 Ooo. Got for it! I's on trunk. 2009-02-19T19:54:02 Go for it, rather ... 2009-02-19T19:54:09 * ErikRose can't even type his native tongue. ... 2009-02-19T19:55:13 evil|darci: They're all in locales/RedirectionTool.pot. You'll need to run i18ndude to update the .po you want to work on. ... 2009-02-19T19:55:52 Yeah, I don't know how to do it, either. ;-) ... 2009-02-19T19:56:35 moldy: https://svn.plone.org/svn/collective/RedirectionTool/trunk/Products/RedirectionTool/locales/ ... 2009-02-19T19:56:55 Ah. :-) 2009-02-19T19:57:29 I found these very useful http://maurits.vanrees.org/weblog/archive/2007/09/i18n-locales-and-plone-3.0 2009-02-19T19:57:46 evilda 2009-02-19T19:57:59 This is close: i18ndude sync --pot locales/mydomain.pot locales/*/LC_MESSAGES/mydomain.po ... 2009-02-19T19:58:24 evil|darci, this contains the recipee to build the language files 2009-02-19T19:58:36 Probably i18ndude sync --pot locales/RedirectionTool.pot locales/de/LC_MESSAGES/RedirectionTool.po 2009-02-19T19:58:55 If you're feeling ambitious, you can build the .mo file afterward. 2009-02-19T19:59:01 Otherwise, I'll catch i. 2009-02-19T19:59:02 t ... 2009-02-19T19:59:24 :-) 2009-02-19T20:00:11 I guess it wouldn't hurt to update all the .po files. I didn't want to cause deltas, but it'll mean the localizers won't have to learn i18ndude as much. ... 2009-02-19T20:20:11 esteele has joined #plone 2009-02-19T20:20:59 kevin7kal has quit IRC 2009-02-19T20:21:16 ree has left #plone ... 2009-02-19T20:40:57 SteveM has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T21:04:43 pumazi has joined #plone 2009-02-19T21:06:16 aclark: can you modify my login name on plone.org? 2009-02-19T21:06:49 hmmm, actually, that might get messy as it also applies to trac and my collective commits. :-/ 2009-02-19T21:06:54 bugger. 2009-02-19T21:06:57 scratch that. ... 2009-02-19T21:13:56 * aclark scratches ... 2009-02-19T21:28:58 limi|dentist is now known as limi 2009-02-19T21:29:12 jonstahl has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T21:29:36 limi has quit IRC 2009-02-19T21:34:35 jonstahl has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T22:16:05 esteele has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T22:29:31 Iron_Chef: reflecto ... 2009-02-19T22:30:40 pumazi has quit IRC ... 2009-02-19T22:54:26 cjj has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T23:32:52 Guest49722: um...you could probably get an answer to that by doing a diff on users in this room vs #joomla...only the ones in both would probably be doubtful ;) ... 2009-02-19T23:42:52 leejoramo has joined #plone ... 2009-02-19T23:58:28 chefan: are you being logged? :) ... 2009-02-19T23:59:28 * cjj goes to bed... 2009-02-19T23:59:32 cjj has quit IRC